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Not really, it was never you, your economy relied largely on stealing stuff from other people and flogging it off as your own. However, as our awful national anthem says:

We've golden soil and wealth for toil;
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
What about North Sea Oil and gas, or coal, or tin, lead and copper....plus we produced wool and other textiles. Sheffield steel was prized throughout the world, without resorting to Aussie Iron ore. We gave the world railways, some of them still run today.... We also invented the steam engine...You certainly wouldn't be where you are today without Britain and it's explorers Bruce, you are descended from here....Britain is the father of the modern world and most of its children are now turning their backs on us......
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14-11-2019, 11:42 AM
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What about North Sea Oil and gas, or coal, or tin, lead and copper....plus we produced wool and other textiles. Sheffield steel was prized throughout the world, without resorting to Aussie Iron ore. We gave the world railways, some of them still run today.... We also invented the steam engine...You certainly wouldn't be where you are today without Britain and it's explorers Bruce, you are descended from here....Britain is the father of the modern world and most of its children are now turning their backs on us......
What are you talking about? Did anything I say negate any of that? except the last absurd sentence which is a complete nonsense and a rewriting of history (BTW nearly everything you quote is 18th or 19th Century technology and your oil fields have been and gone)

When you joined the Common Market it was Britain that turned its back on the Commonwealth as trading partners not the other way round. Remember NZ Lamb, Aussie Butter etc in the 50's - suddenly you didn't want it at all, since then the Commonwealth has found other trading partners. Australia was hurt but not surprised (it remembered its treatment by that duplicitous toad Churchill). Sure we will negotiate a trade deal with you but it will be on our terms.

You may have read that Australia is part of a new Asia Pacific trade pact (RCEP) covering one third of the world's economy, Britain is small fry by comparison to this market.

As for father of the modern world (what the hell does that mean?) Britain might have been a potent force in the very early 20th Century but since the two World Wars Britain has not contributed that much to the modern world has it? It has spent too much time getting into the EU, going in and out of recession and, more recently, three years achieving absolutely nothing while the economy splutters along.

The USA and now China are driving the modern world.

Britain's glory days are long behind it and its economy was never anything like ours - those are just facts of life.
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14-11-2019, 12:13 PM
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Well as it happens Bruce, we didn't turn our backs on the commonwealth it was in the rules of the common market that any trade had to go through them, and it's one of the reasons why we want out now, it's too restrictive and we have to take our place alongside 28 other countries. Some of them the size of Yorkshire.
Had the British people been fully aware of the situation at the time I'm sure it wouldn't have got as far as it has.

There are still massive deposits of North Sea Oil and Gas, but because the price of a barrel of oil has been driven down for reasons beyond my understanding, it makes it uneconomical to retrieve and oil platforms are being dismantled and jobs lost, but isn't this how globalism works? By it cheap from somewhere else and bugger the local working man.
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14-11-2019, 06:59 PM
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What are you talking about? Did anything I say negate any of that? except the last absurd sentence which is a complete nonsense and a rewriting of history (BTW nearly everything you quote is 18th or 19th Century technology and your oil fields have been and gone)

When you joined the Common Market it was Britain that turned its back on the Commonwealth as trading partners not the other way round. Remember NZ Lamb, Aussie Butter etc in the 50's - suddenly you didn't want it at all, since then the Commonwealth has found other trading partners. Australia was hurt but not surprised (it remembered its treatment by that duplicitous toad Churchill). Sure we will negotiate a trade deal with you but it will be on our terms.

You may have read that Australia is part of a new Asia Pacific trade pact (RCEP) covering one third of the world's economy, Britain is small fry by comparison to this market.

As for father of the modern world (what the hell does that mean?) Britain might have been a potent force in the very early 20th Century but since the two World Wars Britain has not contributed that much to the modern world has it? It has spent too much time getting into the EU, going in and out of recession and, more recently, three years achieving absolutely nothing while the economy splutters along.

The USA and now China are driving the modern world.

Britain's glory days are long behind it and its economy was never anything like ours - those are just facts of life.

I cannot argue with you Brucy, because it is all true, l can only
speak for myself, as l could never understand our reasons for
Joining the eu, however, as always we have been led by Eton
schoolboys who's only merit is debating, better known as producing
hot air? and the actual people have had very little say in decisions!
And when we have been consulted as you have seen with brexit
a lot of toys get thrown out of a lot of cots?
Imo we are only held back by the quality of our so called leadership!
I also share your pessimism about uks future?

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15-11-2019, 01:57 PM
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Re: British Steel

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What are you talking about? Did anything I say negate any of that? except the last absurd sentence which is a complete nonsense and a rewriting of history (BTW nearly everything you quote is 18th or 19th Century technology and your oil fields have been and gone)

When you joined the Common Market it was Britain that turned its back on the Commonwealth as trading partners not the other way round. Remember NZ Lamb, Aussie Butter etc in the 50's - suddenly you didn't want it at all, since then the Commonwealth has found other trading partners. Australia was hurt but not surprised (it remembered its treatment by that duplicitous toad Churchill). Sure we will negotiate a trade deal with you but it will be on our terms.

You may have read that Australia is part of a new Asia Pacific trade pact (RCEP) covering one third of the world's economy, Britain is small fry by comparison to this market.

As for father of the modern world (what the hell does that mean?) Britain might have been a potent force in the very early 20th Century but since the two World Wars Britain has not contributed that much to the modern world has it? It has spent too much time getting into the EU, going in and out of recession and, more recently, three years achieving absolutely nothing while the economy splutters along.

The USA and now China are driving the modern world.

Britain's glory days are long behind it and its economy was never anything like ours - those are just facts of life.

The UK economy is twice that of Australias.
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15-11-2019, 02:59 PM
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The UK economy is twice that of Australias.
Ha ha, ... and a big thank you to another graduate of the University of the Bleeding Obvious.

I wonder if the relative size of the populations have anything to do with that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al)_per_capita

or

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...PP)_per_capita
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Re: British Steel

Originally Posted by Bruce ->
Ha ha, ... and a big thank you to another graduate of the University of the Bleeding Obvious.

I wonder if the relative size of the populations have anything to do with that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al)_per_capita

or

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...PP)_per_capita
Thats how they work it out now in the so called advanced
economies Brucy, the more you consume, the bigger your economy?
No mention anymore of actually producing anything?
Just spend it now, and if your broke use your credit card!
We must get money from somewhere? But lm buggered if l can
see where??
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