Re: NO DEAL better than BAD DEAL
Originally Posted by itsme
Better than the UK going around the world with a begging bowl.
Will you please pretty please trade with me.
Nah, anyone daft enough to leave a great trading block that is already trading with the rest of the world isn't worth the risk.
It kind of proves my point.
Remainers vote for the status quo in the assumption that nothing would change. In the referendum there was already the points being made by the leave campaigns that there would be an EU Army (remember Nick Clegg saying it was a "dangerous fantasy" when in a debate with Nigel Farage on Nick Ferraris radio show on LBC ?). There are many other examples, but I'll stick with that one for now.
Then moving forward to after the referendum, the point that leave were making was proven. Remain denied it then turned its opinion to one that suddenly favours the EU army, as if its a great idea (and who needs NATO anyway ???) - completely ignoring the Leave position that was absolutely correct when it made the point back in 2016.
Even now, remainers still don't understand why 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU. They still think we are stupid, racist bigots who didn't know what we were voting for, when the reality is, we were absolutely on the money with just about every prediction on EU membership, its direction of travel etc. We even got it right about the looming recession for Germany and the rest of the 27, the common asylum policy etc etc.
But on the other hand, as you quite willingly point out "It was easy, the country was doing so well, why change ?" ... blindly assuming remain meant the status quo, where everything in the EU would "remain" the same.
You can't deny what you wrote ... it spells it out really clearly what remains position was and still is. The other side of the coin for the remain vote came from those who genuinely didn't want to "rock the boat" so deliberately voted for the status quo by covering their eyes and voting to remain - these are the real voters who genuinely didn't know or didn't want to know about EU membership.
Well, they do now and a lot of them have become "sovereign remainers" who value our democracy and the will of the people over and above remaining in the EU. Others have seen how we have been treated by the EU since the referendum and switched to favouring leave. This is a considerable (huge) number and we will see the swing in favour of leave parties in the General Election.
Finally, your point about the UK offering its begging bowl to other countries to trade with us is way off the mark. There are over 170 countries with no trade agreements who quite openly trade with the EU. Its a nonesense that the UK can't trade outside of the EU block - in fact, of all the 28 member states, the UK is the least integrated with the single market by a country mile. Just remember, the EU's top 3 export markets are ..
1. USA - no trade deal
2. UK - soon to be outside the EU
3. China - no trade deal
The rest are not in the same league as us and our trade with the EU is decreasing year on year, where other countries such as the USA (note the lack of trade deal) has been increasing year on year. Same for China, Brazil, India - all countries outside the EU.