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Re: 11th November

Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
European unity was driven by a desire for long lasting peace. Those who want to destroy it are our enemies. Divide and rule is a good thing for them. Like a piecemeal acquisition.

European Unity was and is a pipe dream excuse for the stealthy take over of European countries by a bunch of powermad despots who are afraid to expose themselves to the rigours of a democratic selection process.

One does not go seeking Unity by working in the shadows, stealthily behind close doors drafting treaties without ever consulting the people of the nation involved and slowly, step by step, relinquishing that nation from its sovereignty and nationality.

One does not go seeking unity by putting in place treaties which state that the EU may not be opposed and that member states are forced to comply with its every whim and agenda.

One does not acquire unity by forcing nations into a catastrophic "one size fits all" single currency which has seen numerous member states bankrupted.

The EU project if it was ever truly a real dream was just a vision for a utopia where everyone behaved amicably. It soon gave way, as all pipe dreams do, to the lust for power and the greed for money and wealth and thus became a cesspit of corruption.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Today we have this corrupt cesspit leaching the sovereignty from this country, destroying the nationality of its people and attempting to take over everything. If left unchecked Westminster will be abolished (as per the Lisbon Treaty) and with it the vote of the UK people in any form of democratic election.

The enemy is truly amongst us and has been working from the inside for 40 years, silently using corrupt politicians to sign away our country to a foreign power. They methods used, the stealth involved tells us all we need to know about their true intentions and motives.

We no longer want any part of it.

We can see the truth from the illusion. The reality from the pipe dream.

We must free ourselves from the clutches that we have so fraudulently been put into.
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16-11-2019, 06:49 AM
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Your post is ironic given the history of the British Empire. Lust for power and greed for money and wealth indeed.

The drive for European unity arose from the devastation of WWI and WWII. It was about peace and prosperity. So money was one of the motivators. WWII bankrupted Europe. The alternative at that time was the threat of communism.

If you speak to many people the "corrupt cesspit" is here. So where does that leave sovereignty ?
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16-11-2019, 11:43 AM
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Re: 11th November

Originally Posted by realist ->
european unity was and is a pipe dream excuse for the stealthy take over of european countries by a bunch of powermad despots who are afraid to expose themselves to the rigours of a democratic selection process.

One does not go seeking unity by working in the shadows, stealthily behind close doors drafting treaties without ever consulting the people of the nation involved and slowly, step by step, relinquishing that nation from its sovereignty and nationality.

One does not go seeking unity by putting in place treaties which state that the eu may not be opposed and that member states are forced to comply with its every whim and agenda.

One does not acquire unity by forcing nations into a catastrophic "one size fits all" single currency which has seen numerous member states bankrupted.

The eu project if it was ever truly a real dream was just a vision for a utopia where everyone behaved amicably. It soon gave way, as all pipe dreams do, to the lust for power and the greed for money and wealth and thus became a cesspit of corruption.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Today we have this corrupt cesspit leaching the sovereignty from this country, destroying the nationality of its people and attempting to take over everything. If left unchecked westminster will be abolished (as per the lisbon treaty) and with it the vote of the uk people in any form of democratic election.

The enemy is truly amongst us and has been working from the inside for 40 years, silently using corrupt politicians to sign away our country to a foreign power. They methods used, the stealth involved tells us all we need to know about their true intentions and motives.

We no longer want any part of it.

We can see the truth from the illusion. The reality from the pipe dream.

We must free ourselves from the clutches that we have so fraudulently been put into.
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16-11-2019, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
Your post is ironic given the history of the British Empire. Lust for power and greed for money and wealth indeed.
You forget one big difference.
When member states of the British Empire demanded independence, the British willingly moved out.
When member states of the European Empire demand independence, the dictators play every underhand trick to keep them under the jackboot, including bribing greedy politicians to turn on their own people.

Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
The drive for European unity arose from the devastation of WWI and WWII. It was about peace and prosperity. So money was one of the motivators. WWII bankrupted Europe. The alternative at that time was the threat of communism.
You're half-right!
The threat of communism explains the creation of NATO. Money was the motivation for the creation of the EU.
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16-11-2019, 01:35 PM
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You should google up what happened in Poland on Monday this week.

Fascism is on the rise in Europe again.

Nationalism + Socialism + Racism = Fascism

As far as the EU are concerned this has come about by crippling debt, uncontrolled immigration and the rejection of federalism. You cant deny this is the failure if the EU project by dominating sovereign countries by an unelected government and handing power to the elite.

Poland, the biggest receiver of EU funding now starts to reject the hand that feeds it and demonstrates using language of the Nazis

Remember, Hitler was originally a socialist ....

Scary stuff
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16-11-2019, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Mons in Belgium.

Canada is not the only Non EU Country in NATO which is not trying to join.

One Country is actually trying to Leave.
Leaving nato is even simpler than EU. Send a notification and after one year you are out. France did in 1966.
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16-11-2019, 01:46 PM
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You should google up what happened in Poland on Monday this week.

Fascism is on the rise in Europe again.

Nationalism + Socialism + Racism = Fascism

As far as the EU are concerned this has come about by crippling debt, uncontrolled immigration and the rejection of federalism. You cant deny this is the failure if the EU project by dominating sovereign countries by an unelected government and handing power to the elite.

Poland, the biggest receiver of EU funding now starts to reject the hand that feeds it and demonstrates using language of the Nazis

Remember, Hitler was originally a socialist ....

Scary stuff

So you have two out of three conditions in the UK. If corbyn gets into power you would fully qualify.
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16-11-2019, 01:52 PM
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Re: 11th November

Originally Posted by JBR ->
You forget one big difference.
When member states of the British Empire demanded independence, the British willingly moved out.
That doesn't bode well for brexit. In india for example it took the brits 90 years to finally leave. It seems you are doing it again in leaving the EU
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16-11-2019, 01:59 PM
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Re: 11th November

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So you have two out of three conditions in the UK. If corbyn gets into power you would fully qualify.

He won't though ... we have elections here unlike the EU
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16-11-2019, 02:02 PM
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Re: 11th November

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That doesn't bode well for brexit. In india for example it took the brits 90 years to finally leave. It seems you are doing it again in leaving the EU

You won't be able to leave the EU. There is already talk if a change to article 50.

Bye !
 
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