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EU Migration, a view from Ireland.

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The link is here.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...ules-1.3550038

As we are leaving, why have we not already done this?
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01-07-2018, 01:56 PM
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The more I read about it I am leaning toward the fact that you were sold a pup in Brexit by an inept government. I have long said that the British have had appalling leadership since the war and these sort of articles seem to bear that out.

My experience is limited but when I think of the calibre of people like Macmillan, Eden, Douglas Hume, Edward Heath then I am not surprised at the state the country is in. A nation of lions led by donkeys.

I am not saying Australian leaders were that much better but we had some outstanding ones like Hawke and Keating (even to a lesser extent Howard) and you only need one occasionally to keep you out of the shit. Britain has not had that - even the very best was merely mediocre.
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Originally Posted by Bruce ->
The more I read about it I am leaning toward the fact that you were sold a pup in Brexit by an inept government. I have long said that the British have had appalling leadership since the war and these sort of articles seem to bear that out.

My experience is limited but when I think of the calibre of people like Macmillan, Eden, Douglas Hume, Edward Heath then I am not surprised at the state the country is in. A nation of lions led by donkeys.

I am not saying Australian leaders were that much better but we had some outstanding ones like Hawke and Keating (even to a lesser extent Howard) and you only need one occasionally to keep you out of the shit. Britain has not had that - even the very best was merely mediocre.
I like your analogy very much

Donkeys on gravy trains the bloomin lot of 'em
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01-07-2018, 04:10 PM
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I notice you didn't include Harold Wilson and winston churchill!! - good guys ehh? - why did you leave Margaret Thatcher out??
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I notice you didn't include Harold Wilson and winston churchill!! - good guys ehh? - why did you leave Margaret Thatcher out??
I think you need to read what I wrote.
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I think you need to read what I wrote.
I have. You didn't mention Margaret Thatcher. Why didn't you say that she was an exception, because she was one of our very few strong PMs since the war?
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I have. You didn't mention Margaret Thatcher. Why didn't you say that she was an exception, because she was one of our very few strong PMs since the war?
She was one of those that rose to the height of mediocrity - I did mention that.

Strong leadership is not necessarily good leadership, dictators are strong leaders. Thatcher destroyed the social fabric of the UK in my opinion; compare what was happening at the same time with the Hawke/Keating government and the Accord.

The Accord changed the industrial landscape in Australia for ever, it was not perfect by any means but the end result was that we have not had a recession since the early 1990's. Thatcher on the other hand waged war on the Unions yet the industrial relations situation seems little different now so she actually achieved nothing lasting other than social disruption and a nation at war with itself.
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Originally Posted by Bruce ->
She was one of those that rose to the height of mediocrity - I did mention that.

Strong leadership is not necessarily good leadership, dictators are strong leaders. Thatcher destroyed the social fabric of the UK in my opinion; compare what was happening at the same time with the Hawke/Keating government and the Accord.

The Accord changed the industrial landscape in Australia for ever, it was not perfect by any means but the end result was that we have not had a recession since the early 1990's. Thatcher on the other hand waged war on the Unions yet the industrial relations situation seems little different now so she actually achieved nothing lasting other than social disruption and a nation at war with itself.
Spot on Bruce.
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