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Many times here we discuss differences in conduct or point-of-view which differ due to our socialization in our home countries. I'm aware of that very issue.

Many times we just say, "Oh, that goofy Chico." But that's not always the impetus.

If you have time, sign onto "www.motorcycleforum.com." It's more than just a bike forum.

Within its many divisions there are political sections, as well as 'off topic' places and general areas where many distinct cultural insights are shown.

As I have stated, there are 'red states and blue states.' In this forum you will find a vast documentation of people discussing the 'red state' understanding of our beliefs under a republic form of government. After all, we are not a democracy.

Anyone can register and join, not just bikers. And you can mention our forum here, and your association with me. If you participate in the political or off-topic areas you will converse with folks who hold a position on America you may have never seen.

Mention my name and handle.

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In another thread I reported the events surrounding a flight attendant and some unusual circumstances. Some forum members here expressed displeasure. I got to thinking about that.

In America we view(ed) England as a trusted ally, despite that tea distruction, the burning of our Capitol building and Triumph motorcycles. (I still have oil stains in my driveway from letting my friends park there twenty years ago.)

But I digress. I'm beginning to sense a true disconnect in overall values and behavior. An American looks forward to the lastest issue of "Guns n' Ammo." It appears the Europeans think we're all cowboys.

We openly and effectively monitor and rebuke our government. You cannot write some books in England without exposing yourself to possible censure from the monarchy. The bikers in Wisconsin told the state to stuff the helmet law, and we all ride free now.

All of these seemingly minor issues make me wonder if our societies have come to a fork in the road. I listen to the BBC here once in awhile on radio headphones drifting off to sleep. I'm detecting a smug and disapproving tone in their comments towards my country.

I love my country, just not this lame government, and we're going to repair that problem on the next election. But I sense foreigners would be happier if we "just got in line."

As Europeans, do you feel that same way?

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I think GB and the USA are trusted allies and I don't think we are really at a fork in the road. English people are usually not as forthright as Americans - we like to take our time to think things over before we act and we don't always wear our heart on our sleeve. Sometimes we do seem a little aloof, but I would not say smug or disaproving. I don't think we have much to be smug about. America is still a young country compared to England and the rest of Europe and it maybe that in some areas we seem a bit like staid grandparents (but is this a bad thing - we do have a lot of patience, experience and tolerance - even if we have no money).

I think that if the chips are down GB and the USA will pull together. I hope we will always have a very strong alliance.

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I think that thanks to Bush - the US has gone down for a lot of people. Not just his foreign policy (which many think was based on his family's oil interests!) but because he was just so dumb generally. We found it scary that such an imbecile could be in charge of a nuclear state

Obama coming in is the best thing that happened to the US from an international perspective, he's almost a complete contrast to Bush. A refreshing one at that.

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What has the international community done for me lately? Dump its unemployed flotsam in my country and then whine when I object?

BHO espouses socialism and an economy built on "the mulitplier effect." I was in finance for 30 years, and this idea in money and wealth simply robs Joe Lunchbox of money he needs, and then a stronger central government spends it on things he doesn't want.

BHO needs to go back to Kenya and let us run our own country. If Americans want Canadian healthcare, it should be easy to find a bus headed north.

Of course, then Canada would complain about 'the security of its borders.'

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Think you will find that BO was born in the USA.


Copy of his birthcert to prove it.

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Oh, I'm glad you provided that very important document. Clearly I was wrong.

What's the big problem? If you questioned my citizenship I can produce a miasma of documents, info, hospital records, a newspaper entry for the date of my birth, where it took place and my parentage.

I have more info on my body than I can re-produce for the bike I am sitting upon.

Why do you think homes and real estate has such painstakingly complex titles and abstracts?

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to question the lineage of the man who holds my nation's "football."

(That word 'football' is also American slang. It refers to the attache' case a member of our armed forces carrys for the President wherever that executive travels. It contains all of our nuclear "launch codes.")

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If others had the same attitude they might say you need to go back to your country and let the native Americans run their own country

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And many do that very thing. Freedom of speech.

But I grow increasingly tired of people who come here to take advantage of all America has to offer--but then try to change my country into their country.

We have people who whine about "Europen style healthcare." The Japanese have even come here to yutz about nuclear weapons and gun control. They flee their own countries, but then set up "little Saigons," and China towns.

Many schools can not longer celebrate Halloween in classes because children's costumes scare the Hmong.

Here's a unique idea. If you like European healthcare, stay in Europe. If you do not like guns, stay out of my gun cabinet and disarm yourself. I am not Vietnamese or Hmong. Continue to eat dogs if you want, but your muslim beliefs do not include me. We have freedom of expression here.

Loudmouths are going to find inccreasing angry Americans here. 'Bout time.

I once told a Cuban exile that I would be glad when Castro died so every alien in Florida could go home. Their initial claim was that they swam here to avoid Castro's government. And when he dies we should hold them to their own words. I'll even buy them new inner tubes so they can float home.

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What you are saying sounds an awful lot like what many people say in this country about immigration, race, etc. The USA is a nation of immigrants and those immigrants have made that country the power that it is today. Have you ever traced your origins?