14-02-2018, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiWe are not in Schengen,
We allow more immigrants from outside the EU.
We can stop sending Child Benefits abroad, most EU Countries do not do this, we chose too.
Cameron could have just stopped it, instead he went and asked for permission, which established a precedent.
We give out Benefits like toffee to EU Immigrants, EU workers in other EU Countries find them far harder to get.
We could change our Benefits System to that of France, we choose not too.
14-02-2018, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fogey
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So Schengen is what, exactlyControl of Welfare? How is it we can't stop immigrants claiming for their children even though they are living out of this country? Answer: European law
We can control welfare. There are rules but the government does not make the most of them because it's easier to pay everyone rather than check entitlement. It's all our problem.
14-02-2018, 06:11 PM
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Due to EU rules on free movement of people, the UK must admit EU citizens and their family members, unless there is some indication (perhaps in the Schengen Information System) that they are wanted persons or that they are using stolen passports.14-02-2018, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Fogey
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Due to EU rules on free movement of people, the UK must admit EU citizens and their family members, unless there is some indication (perhaps in the Schengen Information System) that they are wanted persons or that they are using stolen passports.
The question is how is brexit necessary or able to fix these issues when we have ignored our ability to fix all these years. Why do you think there is a camp at Calais? Because France does not mess about!
14-02-2018, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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we don't swear but we do use other odd words instead and Gina Miller has been heard during the redecorating of our lounge.several times 
Half sister to Gordon Bennet no doubt 
14-02-2018, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Longdogs
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Really? I thought you were just quoting Dad's Army.
14-02-2018, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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That's a result of the bexit vote and years of tory austerity. We should be booming now because Europe is in growth. Now companies cannot recruit and face an uncertain future. It's a deliberate attempt by some to lead us to ruin and bring in a communist style state.
Are you not aware of the unemployment rates in most of the EU?
The Brexit voters are just like you, Annie. They voted for the system most likely to benefit them directly and personally.
They chose Leave.
14-02-2018, 10:51 PM
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We were not stupid enough to join the Euro. That is what has caused the economic disparities between member states. The PIGS were not aligned to the economies of France and Germany. It was super crazy to join up so many different economies in one currency using a one off criteria. I said at the time that it was a bad idea and I was really glad we didn't join.Leave and remain voters are all friends, neighbours, family. But the leave voters I know all had different reasons for that decision.
Like I said I just think it's waste. What we should have done is said no to Maastricht. Stayed in then on a looser basis. We did get some concessions at that point from what I recall, but it may have been the then recent '90s recession that swayed that decision. Now all our systems are tied up to the hilt. Unscrambled eggs anyone?
15-02-2018, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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We were not stupid enough to join the Euro. That is what has caused the economic disparities between member states. The PIGS were not aligned to the economies of France and Germany. It was super crazy to join up so many different economies in one currency using a one off criteria. I said at the time that it was a bad idea and I was really glad we didn't join. Leave and remain voters are all friends, neighbours, family. But the leave voters I know all had different reasons for that decision.
Like I said I just think it's waste. What we should have done is said no to Maastricht. Stayed in then on a looser basis. We did get some concessions at that point from what I recall, but it may have been the then recent '90s recession that swayed that decision. Now all our systems are tied up to the hilt. Unscrambled eggs anyone?
We could unscramble it easier by just walking away IMO if we insist on negotiating, I'm finding that strange, if you leave a club you leave you don't negotiate
that's what is complicating matters. Just cut free and then sort it out, it's stupidity we aren't already ready to go, that we need longer, if we knew after the referendum we were going we should be ready now to go.
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