15-07-2019, 03:05 PM
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Re: Gina Millers Latest Stunt
HiThink about it folks.
Parliament is our only defence against the Executive.
It sets a huge precedence.
If Brexit goes wrong and we get Corbyn in, we will have a Marxist State with nothing Parliament can do about it.
We will no longer be a democracy, we will be a Dictatorship.
Parliament must be independent of the Executive.
Some of you criticise Bercow as Speaker.
I do not.
He let Parliament have it's way, against the Government, but Parliament failed.
He has stopped the two latest attempts to stop Brexit by refusing to chose the amendments.
We need Parliament to prevent a Dictatorship.
15-07-2019, 03:11 PM
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Re: Gina Millers Latest Stunt
Originally Posted by Bread
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There are rumours that she won't get elected so I'm not holding my breath 
I know she isn't popular with the Greens.
Leyen isn't popular with some I know but I think she will try to play fair with the UK. We gave her sanctuary when her life was threatened by the Baader-Meinhof gang, she adopted an alias and lived in London where she attended the LSE.
There is a lot of negative stuff posted about her and her veiws on Brexit mainly in the left wing press (many are of course anti our leaving the EU anyway and will try to stir the pot when thry can ) , I would rather wait and see what happens if she gets in then listen to them .
If we get a deal there will be no need for Miller to interfere again.
15-07-2019, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Meg
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Bread Leyen isn't popular with some I know but I think she will try to play fair with the UK. We gave her sanctuary when her life was threatened by the Baader-Meinhof gang, she adopted an alias and lived in London where she attended the LSE.
There is a lot of negative stuff posted about her and her veiws on Brexit mainly in the left wing press (many are of course anti our leaving the EU anyway and will try to stir the pot when thry can ) , I would rather wait and see what happens if she gets in then listen to them .
If we get a deal there will be no need for Miller to interfere again.
15-07-2019, 05:24 PM
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Re: Gina Millers Latest Stunt
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThink about it folks.
Parliament is our only defence against the Executive.
It sets a huge precedence.
If Brexit goes wrong and we get Corbyn in, we will have a Marxist State with nothing Parliament can do about it.
We will no longer be a democracy, we will be a Dictatorship.
Parliament must be independent of the Executive.
Some of you criticise Bercow as Speaker.
I do not.
He let Parliament have it's way, against the Government, but Parliament failed.
He has stopped the two latest attempts to stop Brexit by refusing to chose the amendments.
We need Parliament to prevent a Dictatorship.
Trouble is they have a different oplnion to the people, even
though they asked specifically for the peoples opinion?
That is the crux of the matter, and what complicates it more
is that, of course the rest of the establishment is against the
people as well? So who rules in a democracy, the establishment
or the people???
We need to answer this question in order that everybody knows
what system we will be living under? Or indeed ARE living
under?
Regards Donkeyman!
15-07-2019, 05:47 PM
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Re: Gina Millers Latest Stunt
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Parliament should in theory represent the people Swimmy!Trouble is they have a different oplnion to the people, even
though they asked specifically for the peoples opinion?
That is the crux of the matter, and what complicates it more
is that, of course the rest of the establishment is against the
people as well? So who rules in a democracy, the establishment
or the people???
We need to answer this question in order that everybody knows
what system we will be living under? Or indeed ARE living
under?
Regards Donkeyman!
15-07-2019, 07:26 PM
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Re: Gina Millers Latest Stunt
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Of course each and every decision should be made by the people it concerns. But, that being impractical, the people chose a number out of their midst to make the decisions on their behalf. Now answer me this, do the people give the chosen ones a mandate or do they delegate? The answer to that is crucial,as you well understand.
certain things to us if we vote for them, obviously they
promise things that we beleive will benefit us!
However, the brexit situation is the opposite of this?
I dont need to run through all that with you, as you know as
well as l what actually went on and is still going on, this is
now a battle between the establishment and the people!
interesting times ahead l think?
Give my regards to the chaps!
Donkeyman!
15-07-2019, 07:29 PM
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Re: Gina Millers Latest Stunt
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Yes Solly old chap, we elect them because they promisecertain things to us if we vote for them, obviously they
promise things that we beleive will benefit us!
However, the brexit situation is the opposite of this?
I dont need to run through all that with you, as you know as
well as l what actually went on and is still going on, this is
now a battle between the establishment and the people!
interesting times ahead l think?
Give my regards to the chaps!
Donkeyman!
The answer is we mandate them via a promise!
15-07-2019, 07:54 PM
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Re: Gina Millers Latest Stunt
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Sorry Solly l forgot to answer your questionThe answer is we mandate them via a promise!
After the UK is out, the parliament can decide whatever they want, apply again for membership, whatever. But only after you left. (That doesn't imply I don't consider it a stupid thing to). It shouldn't have taken two years to negotiate a deal, because in that period visions, opinions can change. Nevertheless, first you have to leave, then we can see how to proceed.
15-07-2019, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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In that case they should follow the refetendum result and leave. The government could have decided on the matter. They were not sure. They asked the people/citizens. In other words, handed back their mandate on this matter. The people made the decision, and government has to execute it.After the UK is out, the parliament can decide whatever they want, apply again for membership, whatever. But only after you left. (That doesn't imply I don't consider it a stupid thing to). It shouldn't have taken two years to negotiate a deal, because in that period visions, opinions can change. Nevertheless, first you have to leave, then we can see how to proceed.
The only thing l might disagree on is wanting to rejoin again!
After 3yrs of the crap we are still putting up with it would
be imo impossible to return, veven if we got a half decent
deal! Too much damage has been done by all the delays and
shenannigans to dismiss it as if it never happened!
We must use this opportunity to make some major changes
to uk society, not just leaving the eu!
Regards Donkeyman!
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