26-08-2020, 10:32 PM
4041
Re: Chinese Coronavirus
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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They might be potty Annie but it's their choice. I personally have only had the flu vaccine once in my life and it was followed by the worst bout of flu I've ever had (which is incidentally only twice including that one) so for the last forty eight years I haven't taken up the offer of a winter vaccine, neither will I take up the offer of one for Covid.I had all the usual childhood vaccines of which there were just a few, but now there are more vaccines than you can shake a stick at and it's getting worse. The human body is quite capable of dealing with most viral infections and doesn't really need so much help. We are breeding an inferior quality of human, and one of the reasons I believe, is because we putting too many toxic chemicals in it and not allowing it to develop a proper natural defence.
27-08-2020, 04:08 AM
4042
Re: Chinese Coronavirus
Covid data for Thursday, 27 August 2020Global Cases 24,332,275
Global Deaths 829,665
Australia
Cases 25,322
Deaths 572
Critical 35
Cases per Million 991
UK
Cases 328,846
Deaths 41,465
Critical 68
Cases per Million 4,840
USA
Cases 6,000,365
Deaths 183,653
Critical 16,378
Cases per Million 18,111
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
27-08-2020, 08:57 PM
4043
Re: Chinese Coronavirus
Interesting bedtime reading. A little out of date now though...https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_apr_covid_and_flu#
There’s no doubt that the Coronavirus is a vicious little blighter. By the time that most readers will have read this, the number of deaths in the UK as a whole, where the deceased also tested positive for the Coronavirus, will have topped 10,000. Our concern remains proportionality of response, as it has been from the start.
No-one ever batted an eyelid or launched a drone because of deaths from winter ’flu
In the winter of 2014/2015, England on its own lost 28,330 people due to the ’flu, to say nothing of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Neither the Government nor the media batted an eyelid. All businesses and shops remained open, as did schools, restaurants, charities, churches, parks, and everywhere else.
Flights continued as normal. No holidays, weddings, or concerts were cancelled. The plans for the General Election, the Olympic Games, the 2016 EU Referendum, and even the Eurovision song contest continued to stay on track.
The police were not employing drones to keep us all under effective house arrest. Operations for serious conditions other than the ’flu were not being cancelled. Elderly and sick people could continue to see their doctors. And the economy was not being trashed for the younger generation.
In other words, life went on, completely unchanged. 28,330 people died of the ’flu in England alone. 89% of these people were pensioners. But life went on.
This morning (at 4am when this article is being finalised ) 8,937 people have died in England who have also tested positive for the Coronavirus. We don’t know how many have died “of the Coronavirus”, we only know that 8,937 have died “with the virus”.
Let’s keep things sensible and form opinions based on facts
The ’flu kills. Massive job losses kill. Poverty and despair kill. Lack of exercise kills. Over-eating through boredom kills. Total loss of quality of life kills.
All we are asking for is for some balance in the debate. Let’s work this thing out properly. To do that we need some solid facts. If others will not provide them, then we have to. Insane that we should have to do this, when we are trying to survive on a tiny income and yet the larger media and Brexit organisations have so much money, but this is the world we now seem to live in.
If you can help us to survive in our fifth year, please donate a little something to us this Easter Sunday. Quick and secure donation methods are below. Thank you so much, and you'll get a personal email from a memnber of the team.
[ Sources: UK Government official 'flu reports including input from the Vaccines and Countermeasures Service, National Infection Service, Public Health England, with contributions from: Royal College of General Practitioners; Health Protection Scotland; West of Scotland Specialist Virology Centre; Public Health Wales; Public Health Agency Northern Ireland; Real-time Syndromic Surveillance Team, Public Health England; Flusurvey, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine; Respiratory Virus Unit, VRD, MS Colindale, Public Health England ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.
Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Easter Sunday 12 Apr 2020
27-08-2020, 09:52 PM
4044
Re: Chinese Coronavirus
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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Interesting bedtime reading. A little out of date now though...https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_apr_covid_and_flu#
There’s no doubt that the Coronavirus is a vicious little blighter. By the time that most readers will have read this, the number of deaths in the UK as a whole, where the deceased also tested positive for the Coronavirus, will have topped 10,000. Our concern remains proportionality of response, as it has been from the start.
No-one ever batted an eyelid or launched a drone because of deaths from winter ’flu
In the winter of 2014/2015, England on its own lost 28,330 people due to the ’flu, to say nothing of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Neither the Government nor the media batted an eyelid. All businesses and shops remained open, as did schools, restaurants, charities, churches, parks, and everywhere else.
Flights continued as normal. No holidays, weddings, or concerts were cancelled. The plans for the General Election, the Olympic Games, the 2016 EU Referendum, and even the Eurovision song contest continued to stay on track.
The police were not employing drones to keep us all under effective house arrest. Operations for serious conditions other than the ’flu were not being cancelled. Elderly and sick people could continue to see their doctors. And the economy was not being trashed for the younger generation.
In other words, life went on, completely unchanged. 28,330 people died of the ’flu in England alone. 89% of these people were pensioners. But life went on.
This morning (at 4am when this article is being finalised ) 8,937 people have died in England who have also tested positive for the Coronavirus. We don’t know how many have died “of the Coronavirus”, we only know that 8,937 have died “with the virus”.
Let’s keep things sensible and form opinions based on facts
The ’flu kills. Massive job losses kill. Poverty and despair kill. Lack of exercise kills. Over-eating through boredom kills. Total loss of quality of life kills.
All we are asking for is for some balance in the debate. Let’s work this thing out properly. To do that we need some solid facts. If others will not provide them, then we have to. Insane that we should have to do this, when we are trying to survive on a tiny income and yet the larger media and Brexit organisations have so much money, but this is the world we now seem to live in.
If you can help us to survive in our fifth year, please donate a little something to us this Easter Sunday. Quick and secure donation methods are below. Thank you so much, and you'll get a personal email from a memnber of the team.
[ Sources: UK Government official 'flu reports including input from the Vaccines and Countermeasures Service, National Infection Service, Public Health England, with contributions from: Royal College of General Practitioners; Health Protection Scotland; West of Scotland Specialist Virology Centre; Public Health Wales; Public Health Agency Northern Ireland; Real-time Syndromic Surveillance Team, Public Health England; Flusurvey, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine; Respiratory Virus Unit, VRD, MS Colindale, Public Health England ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.
Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Easter Sunday 12 Apr 2020
So has the government - have we all - been over-reacting to media messages? The media are well known to exaggerate. It's in their interests to do so.
Instead of many of the limitations that are being imposed on us, wouldn't it be better if we could just behave sensibly?
That's what I do anyway. Yes, I wear a mask when we go into the supermarket, but it's the disposable one I have been wearing for a couple of weeks! On the other hand, I keep well away from other people, I don't cough or sneeze in people's faces and, to be honest, don't speak to any strangers.
28-08-2020, 05:10 AM
4045
Re: Chinese Coronavirus
Covid data for Friday, 28 August 2020Global Cases 24,625,149
Global Deaths 835,627
Australia
Cases 25,446
Deaths 583
Critical 35
Cases per Million 996
UK
Cases 330,368
Deaths 41,477
Critical 64
Cases per Million 4,862
USA
Cases 6,046,634
Deaths 184,796
Critical 16,231
Cases per Million 18,251
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
28-08-2020, 07:00 PM
4047
Re: Chinese Coronavirus
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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No-one ever batted an eyelid or launched a drone because of deaths from winter ’flu.......The ’flu kills. Massive job losses kill. Poverty and despair kill. Lack of exercise kills. Over-eating through boredom kills. Total loss of quality of life kills.
The Spanish flu had a devastating effect and they had lockdowns then. When you have a pandemic the dynamics change. There's a difference between predictable winter flu deaths which healthcare systems are prepared for and Covid which was like a steamroller through ITUs.
I'm not sure whether anyone watched the Covid documentary based on the Royal free hospital, but I remember they were panicking at one point because they simply did not have enough oxygen capacity in the system to treat all the Covid patients and everyone else who needs it. It's things like that which make you realise the gravity of a healthcare system that would have been in meltdown. So many more people would have died that did because we locked down.
I mean the whole world realised why do these flu bloggers think they are more intelligent?
28-08-2020, 07:36 PM
4048
Re: Chinese Coronavirus
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Flu is predictable, covid is not. Flu hospitalisation terms are far shorter than Covid. The amount of ITU needed is far lower. Hence Covid overwhelms healthcare systems if not controlled. People who survive Covid aren't recovering so quick. Some will be permanently disabled and decrepit as a result. The Spanish flu had a devastating effect and they had lockdowns then. When you have a pandemic the dynamics change. There's a difference between predictable winter flu deaths which healthcare systems are prepared for and Covid which was like a steamroller through ITUs.
I'm not sure whether anyone watched the Covid documentary based on the Royal free hospital, but I remember they were panicking at one point because they simply did not have enough oxygen capacity in the system to treat all the Covid patients and everyone else who needs it. It's things like that which make you realise the gravity of a healthcare system that would have been in meltdown. So many more people would have died that did because we locked down.
I mean the whole world realised why do these flu bloggers think they are more intelligent?
28-08-2020, 07:43 PM
4049
Re: Chinese Coronavirus
Something I saw on social media today. Thought provoking.This has got to end...
:What is the end game with COVID?
What is the magic formula that is going to allow us to sound the “all clear”? Is it zero cases? For a while, the goal was to simply “flatten the curve,” but now it seems as if there is, in fact, no end game.
Is it a vaccine��? It took 25 years for a chicken pox vaccine to be developed. The smallpox inoculation was discovered in 1776 and the last known natural case was in 1977. We have a flu vaccine that is only 40-60% effective (that’s generous- the last two years it was more like 20-25%). Only 1/3rd of the Canadian population chooses to get one, and roughly 3,500 Canadians still die annually due to flu or flu complications.
They're talking about mandating it? Do they really believe the majority of people will flock to get a fast-tracked vaccine, whose long-term side effects and overall efficacy rates are anyone's best guess?
How long are we going to cancel? Postpone? Reconsider? ��
When do we decide quality of life outweighs risk?
We understand this virus can be deadly for SOME, but so are shellfish, peanut butter, and bee stings. We take risks every day without a second thought.
We know driving a car can be dangerous, but we don't leave it parked in the garage for months on end. We know the dangers of smoking, drinking, and eating fried foods, but we do it, none-the-less. We speed on motorways, some idiots still don't buckle their seatbelts, we take medications more than “as directed,” and a good number of individuals don't think twice about unprotected sex.
Is hugging Granny really more dangerous than rush hour on the motorways???Is going to a bar with friends more risky than four day old gas station sushi? Or operating a chainsaw?
When and how did we so quickly lose our free will?
I want a waiver that says, "I understand the risks, but I choose a life with hugs, smiles, the exhibition, concerts, and school dances."
I understand that there is a minuscule possibility I could die but, more probable, I will end up feeling like junk for a few days.
I understand I could possibly pass this virus onto someone else, but I can pass ANY virus onto someone else at any time until the end of time.
Are we busy living or busy being in fear of dying?
It’s hard to tell these days....
28-08-2020, 08:35 PM
4050
Re: Chinese Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Lion Queen
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Something I saw on social media today. Thought provoking.This has got to end...
:What is the end game with COVID?
What is the magic formula that is going to allow us to sound the “all clear”? Is it zero cases? For a while, the goal was to simply “flatten the curve,” but now it seems as if there is, in fact, no end game.
Is it a vaccine��? It took 25 years for a chicken pox vaccine to be developed. The smallpox inoculation was discovered in 1776 and the last known natural case was in 1977. We have a flu vaccine that is only 40-60% effective (that’s generous- the last two years it was more like 20-25%). Only 1/3rd of the Canadian population chooses to get one, and roughly 3,500 Canadians still die annually due to flu or flu complications.
They're talking about mandating it? Do they really believe the majority of people will flock to get a fast-tracked vaccine, whose long-term side effects and overall efficacy rates are anyone's best guess?
How long are we going to cancel? Postpone? Reconsider? ��
When do we decide quality of life outweighs risk?
We understand this virus can be deadly for SOME, but so are shellfish, peanut butter, and bee stings. We take risks every day without a second thought.
We know driving a car can be dangerous, but we don't leave it parked in the garage for months on end. We know the dangers of smoking, drinking, and eating fried foods, but we do it, none-the-less. We speed on motorways, some idiots still don't buckle their seatbelts, we take medications more than “as directed,” and a good number of individuals don't think twice about unprotected sex.
Is hugging Granny really more dangerous than rush hour on the motorways???Is going to a bar with friends more risky than four day old gas station sushi? Or operating a chainsaw?
When and how did we so quickly lose our free will?
I want a waiver that says, "I understand the risks, but I choose a life with hugs, smiles, the exhibition, concerts, and school dances."
I understand that there is a minuscule possibility I could die but, more probable, I will end up feeling like junk for a few days.
I understand I could possibly pass this virus onto someone else, but I can pass ANY virus onto someone else at any time until the end of time.
Are we busy living or busy being in fear of dying?
It’s hard to tell these days....
Ive been thinking along these lines for several weeks now LQ !
Has the whole world made a massive over reaction to this virus!
Or are we being manipulated for some reason?
Who knows?
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔
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