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02-02-2016, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Old Supporter ->
True enough swimfeeders, but luckily he will never get the chance to put it into practice.

I see that Germany is facing a huge multi billion pound bill for accomodating all the migrants. Stand by for another demand by the EU for money from from us.
With the amount of money they keep demanding from us, I get the feeling that the EU would miss us more than we would them, if we came out.
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You have hit the nail on the head.

Sweden and Germany caused this problem by having an open dooe policy and inviting Economic Migrants in.

They are both now demanding money from the EU and worse, demanding that all EU Countries have quotas of Economic Migrants which they are obliged to take in.

My view is quite simple, Sweden and Germany caused the problem, they can keep their migrants and pay for them themselves.

We should not take a single Migrant and not pay a penny towards their own stupid self inflicted problems.
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02-02-2016, 10:06 AM
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What is on the table...
David Cameron's four main aims for renegotiation

Integration/Sovereignty: Allowing Britain to opt out from the EU's founding ambition to forge an "ever closer union" of the peoples of Europe so it will not be drawn into further political integration. Giving greater powers to national parliaments to block or scrap EU legislation.

Competitiveness: To extend the single market and cut down on excessive regulation - commonly known by critics as "Brussels bureaucracy".

Benefits: Restricting access to in-work and out-of-work benefits to EU migrants. Specifically, ministers want to stop those coming to the UK from claiming certain benefits and housing until they have been resident for four years. But the European Commission, which runs the EU, has said such a move would be "highly problematic" and the focus has now turned to the UK having an "emergency brake" which could stop in-work benefits to EU migrants for four years.

Eurozone v the rest: Securing an explicit recognition that the euro is not the only currency of the European Union, to ensure countries outside the eurozone are not disadvantaged. The UK also wants safeguards that it will not have to contribute to eurozone bailouts
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02-02-2016, 10:15 AM
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All very vague and meaningless, nothing like what he said he will "demand" from the EU during his election campaign, talk about just going through the motions......
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02-02-2016, 10:22 AM
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With regard to paying benefits to EU migrants, what has always seemed strange to me is the fact that each EU member state already has different rules for paying benefits and apparently we are among the most generous, so we are not starting with a level playing field.

Because of this I don't think we should have to negotiate benefits with other member states, it should be up to our government to decide what we will pay. Skilled workers who we want to attract are most likly to find well paid work easily and won't require most befits anyway .
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02-02-2016, 10:46 AM
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It isn't just one thing that annoys me with the EU and nothing Cameron negotiates will change the feeling I have that the whole thing is like 'Alice in Wonderland' from years of C.A.P and fishing rules to the travelling circus below which would be laughable if it wasn't our money they were wasting...

It is perhaps the most outlandish of the European Union’s excesses; a £130 million travelling circus that once a month sees the European Parliament decamp from Belgium to France.
Over the course of the weekend, some 2,500 plastic trunks will be loaded on to five lorries and driven almost 300 miles from Brussels to Strasbourg.
On Monday, about 1,000 politicians, officials and translators will then make the same journey on two specially chartered trains hired at taxpayers’ expense.
A few thousand more will go to Strasbourg by other means, as the European Parliament switches from Brussels, its permanent base, to its “official” home in northern France.
For the first time, the full detail of this “madness”, contained in official European documents, can be disclosed today by The Telegraph – and the price to taxpayers is astonishing.

In all, the EU admits that the monthly Strasbourg sitting, which lasts just four days, costs an additional £93 million a year. The Conservative Party in Europe, which is leading a campaign to abandon it, estimates the cost a little higher at £130 million, or about £928 million in the seven-year cycle of an EU budget.
Among the costs are £250,000 a year to transport the plastic boxes containing documents, diaries and other items from Brussels to Strasbourg and back again. The boxes are left outside offices in Brussels on a Friday evening, collected by a courier company and driven to Strasbourg, where they are unloaded and left outside offices there. The process is repeated in reverse on Thursday evening.
It is thought it costs up to £200,000 for the EU to charter two express trains to take officials, MEPs and others there on a Monday morning and back on a Thursday afternoon. The trains stop only once at an airport in Paris to collect or drop MEPs and no ordinary member of the public can get on board, for a train which arrives in time for parliamentary sessions beginning in the afternoon.
Many of the details are contained within a report into the “financial and environmental impact” of operating two parliaments, which was overseen by Klaus Welle, the secretary-general to the European Parliament, its top civil servant. Mr Welle had been requested by MEPs to give an accurate figure on the costs of two parliaments amid a growing clamour to scrap one of them.
The report shows how taxpayers foot the £2.5 million bill for relocating freelance translators from Brussels to Strasbourg and back again, including costs of travel, accommodation and other expenses.
Providing catering services in Strasbourg costs an additional £1 million, while extra medical support comes to some £330,000.
In Strasbourg, extra money is needed for computers and IT support and for maintenance and security of the sleek parliament building, which was completed in 1999. In total, the cost of looking after the French buildings and infrastructure and other charges comes to about £50 million a year.
One source suggested that before each session begins, a maintenance crew visits every bathroom and turns on and off every tap to make sure no pipes have been blocked since they were last used and to rid the pipes of stale water.
A spokesman said that the maintenance teams looked after the building just like any other.
About 100 people are employed in Strasbourg full-time, even though the European Parliament meets for 12 sessions, each lasting four days, a total of only 48 days each year.
But during those four-day sessions, the circus is in town. About 5,500 people pour into Strasbourg; not only politicians and officials but lobbyists, too.
Hotels in Strasbourg typically double their rates when the EU comes to stay. Last week, the Hilton Hotel in Strasbourg was offering rooms at £82 for Sunday night, but this rose to a cheapest rate of £161 a night for Monday, when the sessions begin.
One MEP said he booked his accommodation a staggering five years in advance to ensure obtaining a room at a reasonable rate.
For an EU obsessed by climate change and its possible effects, more embarrassing is the report’s admission that “10,200 tonnes of CO2 per year would be saved if Strasbourg were no longer used as a place of work”.
That is the equivalent of 12,000 cars driving around the circumference of the world.
In an attempt to cut emissions, at the end of last year MEPs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ng-circus.html
Too much bureaucracy, too many politicians making money out of doing very little, too much money wasted, Cameron won't negotiate those things away...
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02-02-2016, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Meg ->
With regard to paying benefits to EU migrants, what has always seemed strange to me is the fact that each EU member state already has different rules for paying benefits and apparently we are among the most generous, so we are not starting with a level playing field.

Because of this I don't think we should have to negotiate benefits with other member states, it should be up to our government to decide what we will pay. Skilled workers who we want to attract are most likly to find well paid work easily and won't require most befits anyway .
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Yes Meg, we have some very unusual and attrective Benefits here in the UK.

Some other Countries pay more than us, but not until you have paid in enough to fund those Benefits.

I have a different solution to the problem.

Each EU Country only pays those Benefits which the Migrant Worker would receive in their own Country.

The biggest group here in the UK are the Polish.

We pay them what they would get in Poland.

Child Benefit £18 per month, Unemployment Benefit £150 per month, reduced by 20% if you have not been working for a minimum of 5 years, no Working Tax Credits.

No housing benefit.

Nick Clegg proposed this idea in 2014, Cameron was having none of it.

A shame really, it would make the UK an unattractive place to migrate to from Poland, be much fairer and more difficult for the EU to argue against and save us a lot of money.

It would not affect the Polish here where I live, simply because they earn good money, it would however stop the influx of unskilled Migrants from Eastern Europe who are used as cheap labour.
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02-02-2016, 01:33 PM
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Well it is published now.

Full of vague promises.

All we need now is to get it signed in blood by Merkel and her lapdog, Hollande and guarantee the death penalty for any member of the EU Commission or Parliament who tries to backtrack on it.

You can guarantee that they will weasel out of it as soon as they can.
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02-02-2016, 02:14 PM
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Well the " deal " is now published and Cameron has made his speech.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35467479

The main concession seems to have been a financial one on benefits for migrants.

As far as I am concerned I hope this is agreed so that Cameron can go onto win the referendum in favour of Britain remaining in the European Union which is the only sensible outcome and get it out of the way.

The main changes required in Britain's relationship with Europe is a recognition of the fact that we are now effectively in what has been called a 2 speed Europe with the Eurozone members increasingly going on to form a superstate and the other members being on an outer fringe and most European countries seem agreed on that. I would have wished that Britain had joined the Euro at the start but that is history now.

I am aware these opinions are not the majority view on these Forums!
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02-02-2016, 02:34 PM
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Well the " deal " is now published and Cameron has made his speech.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35467479

The main concession seems to have been a financial one on benefits for migrants.

As far as I am concerned I hope this is agreed so that Cameron can go onto win the referendum in favour of Britain remaining in the European Union which is the only sensible outcome and get it out of the way.

The main changes required in Britain's relationship with Europe is a recognition of the fact that we are now effectively in what has been called a 2 speed Europe with the Eurozone members increasingly going on to form a superstate and the other members being on an outer fringe and most European countries seem agreed on that. I would have wished that Britain had joined the Euro at the start but that is history now.

I am aware these opinions are not the majority view on these Forums!
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Well you may have support from unexpected quarters.

Both Corbyn and the SNP are complaining about the deal and anything that I can do to upset them has to be good.
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02-02-2016, 02:39 PM
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I just think we should exit ASAP. Fed with the lot of them TBH and that includes, Call me Dave.
 
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