05-01-2019, 04:37 PM
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Re: Sajid Javid - Saviour or Self-Serving?
Originally Posted by fender
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By my ancestors maybe, but not by me or anyone else I know.History is just that and should not be continually dredged up for ever more. Many of these places are their own worst enemies. We should be looking after our own people / country as a priority.
If these immigrants are so unhappy with their own countries, perhaps they should be risking their lives to establish changes there, rather than risking them to come here, in unsafe boats,and expecting the British people to provide for them!
05-01-2019, 04:48 PM
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Re: Sajid Javid - Saviour or Self-Serving?
Originally Posted by Twink55
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I agree fender! We cannot change history but everybody knows that circumstances change & they can't expect today's people to pay for what their forefathers did.If these immigrants are so unhappy with their own countries, perhaps they should be risking their lives to establish changes there, rather than risking them to come here, in unsafe boats,and expecting the British people to provide for them!
In many of these places the issues are always someone else's fault - never theirs.
Take Iraq for example. Once Saddam was removed (whom they all despised) - how long did it take before the internal factions started fighting each other again?
These places are beyond help and hope, they have a built in self destruct button.
05-01-2019, 04:50 PM
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Re: Sajid Javid - Saviour or Self-Serving?
Originally Posted by Twink55
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I agree fender! We cannot change history but everybody knows that circumstances change & they can't expect today's people to pay for what their forefathers did.If these immigrants are so unhappy with their own countries, perhaps they should be risking their lives to establish changes there, rather than risking them to come here, in unsafe boats,and expecting the British people to provide for them!
Arriving in britain they are economic immigrants. But can you blame a mum for trying to provide her children with a future?
05-01-2019, 04:54 PM
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Re: Sajid Javid - Saviour or Self-Serving?
Originally Posted by fender
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Exactly, but they run away instead (ensuring of course they take their begging bowls with them)In many of these places the issues are always someone else's fault - never theirs.
Take Iraq for example. Once Saddam was removed (whom they all despised) - how long did it take before the internal factions started fighting each other again?
These places are beyond help and hope, they have a built in self destruct button.
05-01-2019, 04:58 PM
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Re: Sajid Javid - Saviour or Self-Serving?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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How long have the irish been fighting each other. Even now a backstop is necessary to prevent them from going at each other's throats again. So take care of the problems in your own house before blaming others.
My point is that we shouldn't be interfering in other countries - especially the ME. We should leave them to it, and that includes cutting all foreign aid.
05-01-2019, 05:00 PM
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Re: Sajid Javid - Saviour or Self-Serving?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Don't know whether you are a mother twink. But if you see your children starving, you are prepared to make a long journey to bring them to a country where they are safe and cared for. If you cannot accompany them (only enough money to pay for the fare of your kids) you send them, hoping for the best.Arriving in britain they are economic immigrants. But can you blame a mum for trying to provide her children with a future?
05-01-2019, 05:12 PM
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Re: Sajid Javid - Saviour or Self-Serving?
Originally Posted by fender
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What are you on about?My point is that we shouldn't be interfering in other countries - especially the ME. We should leave them to it, and that includes cutting all foreign aid.
05-01-2019, 05:23 PM
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Re: Sajid Javid - Saviour or Self-Serving?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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The subject of discussion was the fighting among different groups in a country, making people (men and women with children) flee for sanctuary. You condemned the fighting, I show you that the same kind of fighting is within your house.
05-01-2019, 06:47 PM
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Re: Sajid Javid - Saviour or Self-Serving?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Don't know whether you are a mother twink. But if you see your children starving, you are prepared to make a long journey to bring them to a country where they are safe and cared for. If you cannot accompany them (only enough money to pay for the fare of your kids) you send them, hoping for the best.Arriving in britain they are economic immigrants. But can you blame a mum for trying to provide her children with a future?
]Let me ask, if Brexit fails and British children are starving, how many ME countries would offer us food and a place to live?
Why not ask yourself why there are lots of young men in those boats who have left their wives and children in these awful countries?
Britain gives enough in foreign aid to needy people, and it is time we stopped and looked after our own!
05-01-2019, 06:53 PM
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Re: Sajid Javid - Saviour or Self-Serving?
Originally Posted by Twink55
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I agree fender! We cannot change history but everybody knows that circumstances change & they can't expect today's people to pay for what their forefathers did.If these immigrants are so unhappy with their own countries, perhaps they should be risking their lives to establish changes there, rather than risking them to come here, in unsafe boats,and expecting the British people to provide for them!
We have stirred a lot of trouble that was laying dormant, should never have gone in at all.
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