12-09-2020, 11:46 AM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?
Originally Posted by Omah
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I'd rather they sacked appointees like Dido "Incompetent" Harding, Baroness Harding of Winscombe (Chair of the National Institute for Health Protection, Head of NHS Test and Trace, Chair of NHS Improvement, Member of the House of Lords) ..... 
Famously, as CEO of TalkTalk (private business), she was incumbent when the company experienced a 'significant and sustained cyber-attack', during which personal and banking details of up to four million customers were thought to have been accessed. When asked if the affected customer data was encrypted or not, she replied: 'The awful truth is that I don't know'. The magazine Marketing ran a headline, 'TalkTalk boss Dido Harding's utter ignorance is a lesson to us all'.
12-09-2020, 12:03 PM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?
Originally Posted by Tedc
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their careers web site tells us what job they thing they have!https://www.civil-service-careers.gov.uk/departments/
12-09-2020, 12:07 PM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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The public bodies are grossly overstaffed and overpaid based on the actual work most of them do and the civil service have lost the plot and need to be restaffed with people who will do what they are told by the minister and not stick their six peneth in.I REALLY mean that. In the private sector most of them, cs and those in public bodies wouldn't get through the door let alone last five minutes.
But for me the real annoyance is that the SOB's believe that they're so essential while although some of the jobs and services are the people doing those jobs are anything but.
The trouble with the public sector is too much political meddling, doubtless by civil servants but generally government-led. So we have a patchwork quilt of organisations created by successive governments leading to duplication and confusion.
12-09-2020, 12:08 PM
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One of my jobs was as an Administrator for DWP working on DLA alongside 4,500 others authorizing payments for 4,500,000 disabled claimants and their carers - all in the department were Civil Servants.There a lot of Civil Servants:
This bulletin presents headline statistics on the UK Civil Service workforce, including demographic characteristics, earnings, grades, and locations of civil servants.
Key Statistics:
Civil Service headcount is 445,480, up from 430,080 in 2018. On a full-time equivalent basis (FTE), employment is 413,910, up from 399,150 in 2018.
Of these civil servants:
53.9% are women, unchanged from the previous year.
12.7% are from an ethnic minority background, up from 12.0% in 2018.
11.7% declare themselves as having a disability, up from 10.0% in 2018.
4.9% identify as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or recorded their sexual orientation as other (LGBO), up from 4.6% in 2018.
66.4% are working at Executive Officer (EO) grade and above, up from 64.3% in 2018 and 52.1% in 2009.
35.8% are aged under 40, up from 34.6% in 2018.
89,100 work in London, up from 83,530 in 2018.
The median salary is £27,080, up £470 (1.8%) from £26,610 in 2018.
The majority (59.8%) of civil servants work in Operational Delivery
Operational Delivery staff work on providing frontline government services directly to citizens or businesses. These include paying benefits and pensions, providing employment services, staffing prisons, and issuing driving licenses.
12-09-2020, 12:10 PM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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It's just that you mentioned the NHS but that's a public body (not civil service).
12-09-2020, 12:10 PM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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You do have an undeserved regard for the private sector. Incompetence is neither public nor private. Plenty of private companies have demonstrated that in recent years and have ruined lives. The trouble with the public sector is too much political meddling, doubtless by civil servants but generally government-led. So we have a patchwork quilt of organisations created by successive governments leading to duplication and confusion.
Imagine a business being run in the same way as BJ is running the country ..... false hopes, broken promises, left-turns, right-turns, U-turns, etc., etc. .....
12-09-2020, 12:12 PM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?
Originally Posted by Omah
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One of my jobs was as an Administrator for DWP working on DLA alongside 4,500 others authorizing payments for 4,500,000 disabled claimants and their carers - all in the department were Civil Servants.There a lot of Civil Servants:
12-09-2020, 12:17 PM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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You do have an undeserved regard for the private sector. Incompetence is neither public nor private. Plenty of private companies have demonstrated that in recent years and have ruined lives. The trouble with the public sector is too much political meddling, doubtless by civil servants but generally government-led. So we have a patchwork quilt of organisations created by successive governments leading to duplication and confusion.
12-09-2020, 12:22 PM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?
Originally Posted by Omah
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Absolutely ..... Imagine a business being run in the same way as BJ is running the country ..... false hopes, broken promises, left-turns, right-turns, U-turns, etc., etc. .....
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12-09-2020, 05:43 PM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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The NHS is mostly delivered by trusts. It would be much better if it was privatised and delivered in the way that it is in Switzerland. In this country although Bupa in particular is very much better than the NHS (private medical insurance and bill's should be tax free) the lousy service provided by the NHS has so reduced the expectation of most people that even Bupa isn't as good as might otherwise be.
You really should take your rosy glasses off when it comes to private companies. You only have to look at all the big names that went bust in the high street because of their "head in the sand" strategies. It's fine to leave retail adrift in this see of mire but healthcare is far too important for the state to leave it to amateurs and charlatans looking to cream off the misery of the sick.
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