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Before PMQs gets underway, the Commons Speaker makes a highly critical statement on this afternoon’s debate on the government’s emergency coronavirus powers.

Linday Hoyle says the way that the government has passed regulations with little notice and no debate has been “totally unsatisfactory”

The Speaker has decided this amendment will not be selected for debate because he believes it is not within the scope of the day’s proceedings and risks undermining Parliament.

There is a meeting after PMQs in which MPs and ministers will discuss a potential compromise to give MPs more say.
Unless there is a massive improvement in the government's appalling response to the pandemic, I'm sure that the "revolt" will not end at that meeting .....
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There might be 'massive improvement' if the back benchers or opposition had any useful ideas to put forward.
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The PM official line, “the right decisions at the right time” with the addition of “as advised by the science”.
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There might be 'massive improvement' if the back benchers or opposition had any useful ideas to put forward.

There might be a massive improvement if the government got the pandemic under control .... maybe employing ex-Sainsbury management for T, T & T is the way forward but I remain unconvinced ....
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There might be a massive improvement if the government got the pandemic under control .... maybe employing ex-Sainsbury management for T, T & T is the way forward but I remain unconvinced ....
It is impossible to get this Chinese Plague under control. Only herd immunity, and there is increasing evidence that's not happening anywhere in the world, a vaccine and that is looking less and less likely because of the short term immunity so far all of them provide, or that the virus mutates to result in it becoming less infectious or very less devastating in its effects.

Right now the best that BoJo or anyone can do is to react as rapidly as possible to its chaotic behaviour whilst trying to keep the economy going.

No-one could do better than Bojo and most of his cabinet.
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
It is impossible to get this Chinese Plague under control. Only herd immunity, and there is increasing evidence that's not happening anywhere in the world, a vaccine and that is looking less and less likely because of the short term immunity so far all of them provide, or that the virus mutates to result in it becoming less infectious or very less devastating in its effects.

Right now the best that BoJo or anyone can do is to react as rapidly as possible to its chaotic behaviour whilst trying to keep the economy going.

No-one could do better than Bojo and most of his cabinet.

Looking that way, probably they already know this but reluctant go public because they are worried about the reaction. Mass hysteria and panic or rational acceptance.
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If Conservative back benchers are not happy with Boris they should not have put him in the driving seat.

Any compromises could exacerbate rather than improve the situation.
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Any compromises could exacerbate rather than improve the situation.
Such as .....
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One blanket rule for the entire country is not working.

Designating control regionally would meet the needs of the local community.
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One blanket rule for the entire country is not working.

Designating control regionally would meet the needs of the local community.
There isn't "one blanket rule for the entire country".

Covid rules: How much of the UK is now under some sort of lockdown?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52934822



The nature and extent of restrictions vary around the UK. Other than north-east England, the other places affected, with links to more exhaustive details for each area, are:

England:

  • People cannot mix in homes or gardens with anyone outside their household inLeeds, Wigan, Stockport or Blackpool
  • People in Merseyside, Warrington, Halton and the parts of Lancashire not already under tightened restrictions must not mix with people outside their household in homes or gardens. Pubs and restaurants must shut at 22:00 BST
  • Residents in Bradford, Kirklees, Calderdale, Wolverhampton, Oadby and Wigston are banned from socialising with other people outside of their own households or support bubble in private homes and gardens
  • Households in Birmingham, Solihull and Sandwell are not allowed to mix with anyone they do not live with in their home or garden, unless they’re in their support bubble
  • Those in parts of Greater Manchester - including Salford, Bury, the City of Manchester and Oldham, are advised not to mix with those from outside their household or support bubble
  • Also in Greater Manchester, in Bolton, there are visitor limits on care homes, while hospitality venues will only be able to serve takeaways and must close between 22:00 and 05:00
  • People in Blackburn with Darwen and Pendle should not meet anyone from outside their household outdoors
  • In Leicester, people cannot host anyone they do not live with in their home or garden, unless they’re in their support bubble
So, no "compromises" there - just complexity.

Local authorities in England have powers to:

  • Close specific premises (such as shops, cafes and gyms)
  • Shut outdoor spaces (such as parks, playgrounds and beaches)
  • Cancel events (such as concerts, weddings and sporting events)
Central government can:

  • Close sectors or types of premises in local areas
  • Introduce localised stay at home orders
  • Reduce the maximum size of gatherings
  • Restrict the use of transport
  • Stop people leaving a certain area
So, power is split between government and local authorities - room for chaos and confusion there.

People travelling from one area to another will encounter different rules:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...f-man-54332093

Three key workers who broke the Isle of Man's Covid-19 rules by stopping to buy beer after arriving at the island's ferry terminal have been spared jail. Under Manx laws, key workers must self-isolate at their home or place of accommodation while off shift. The trio were sentenced to 14 days in prison, suspended for 12 months.
 
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