04-02-2019, 12:05 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Yugoslavia was not in the EU when that war took place. NATO the EU and the UN were all borne of the same plans post war. There is confusion over NATO contributions. All countries have paid. The sticking point is not whether they have paid into a pot (they all have) but about investment in their own armed forces being a certain % of gdp.
Yugoslavia is in Europe last time I looked.
There is no confusion over NATO contributions - even Greece and Poland manage to pay their fair share.
The only exception to the 2% is Germany, which pays (I forget the exact figure) less than the 2%. This is because of the sanctions on Germany spending vast amounts of money on an army, air force etc, because, let's face it, the last time it did this, it tried to take over the world and ended up with the UK, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and other allies liberating it. There are a lot of EU hating fascists in Germany now and they will deffo want to sign up to an EU army. Its a good way of them starting a military coup - just like what happened in Turkey.
The last thing the EU wants is to be in NATO because it stops Germany (the only country that can afford to) buy the levels of arms in needs for its German (EU) army.
The problem is though.... if there is a war between 2 or more member states as there will be no 3rd country to intervene. The Aachen Agreement signed by France and Germany earlier this year is the first step to this EU army. I hope your excited about having your grandkids being conscripted because to get the numbers they need (to look convincing) against Russia thats exactly what they will need to do.
and so it goes on ...
Kuwait, that was another beauty. the members of the UN in the EU sat and covered their eyes when Kuwait was invaded by Iraq. Germany refused to act because of its hatred of Saudi.
An EU army would spend more time bickering with who it wants to fight and who doesn't than to defend itself.
Meanwhile, Germany snubs the USA and buys 100s of 40 year old, out of date Eurofighters that were designed to fight the cold war with Russia that finished 30 years ago.
It could have had F22's like the UK
It could have had F35, like the UK
..... instead its the 40 year old, obsolete, overpriced, out of date Eurofighter...
Here comes Russia !
04-02-2019, 12:31 PM
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The EU military will without any doubt be relying upon conscription , indeed the one thing leavers have never done to great extent is a project fear however remainers simply believe the EU is nirvana and a bed of roses forever ...we have NATO and that is more than enough , as I said in earlier posts the EU wants a military in order to go on peace keeping , stabilising call them what you wish missions into North Africa after Cameron opened the gates of hell in Libya to stem the migrant crisis and hence costing voters in the Eu itself and remainers simply can’t see tomorrow or next year or 5 years ahead but instead are taking rubbish about big business losing ££££ which in reality business has been trading since roman days and ways will be found after brexit to do so again as they are losing their biggest customer
https://youtu.be/ICsVWGq_rWU
04-02-2019, 12:31 PM
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Yugoslavia was not in the EU when the war took place. I am discussing EU members. We have already had lengthy debates about NATO contributions on another thread. But the fact is that member states have not engaged in a war with each other. That is a major advantage imo. If you don't agree that's fine but it remains a fact that unity promotes peace.04-02-2019, 12:34 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by marmaduke
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Brexit is about much more than trade , and who is too say what ‘trade’ the years ahead will hold for ANY COUNTRY ? Brexit is FOREVER and to sell out for short term possible economic loss is crazy
04-02-2019, 12:40 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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I have said leave if that must be but do it over a transition of several years so that it does not mess up the economy. I've yet to understand why that is such a big deal for leave voters.
But leave means leave , no deal better than a bad deal ... March 29th 2019 and the fact we never prepared ?
Blame remainers for time wasting too
as they’ve been shooting holes in their lifeboat since day one !
04-02-2019, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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Oooooooh The Cringe is strong with this one!! Btw.........for future reference, no one gives a flying fug what Australian nationals think of Brexit. Your views are as insignificant as your existence...........Have a nice day x
04-02-2019, 01:30 PM
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Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Yugoslavia was not in the EU when the war took place. I am discussing EU members. We have already had lengthy debates about NATO contributions on another thread. But the fact is that member states have not engaged in a war with each other. That is a major advantage imo. If you don't agree that's fine but it remains a fact that unity promotes peace.
.... not by the dysfunctional, ignorant, self serving European Union it isn't.
04-02-2019, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by marmaduke
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It’s a BIG DEAL for leavers because the bottom line is we don’t trust politicians either side , any house , anyone as we can only go on past behaviour and so why trust ‘them’ ... no , leave means leave and if things are really so bad out there and the EU is such a great club to be in then remainers will put together a reason for joining and sell it the nation in future ... good luck with that But leave means leave , no deal better than a bad deal ... March 29th 2019 and the fact we never prepared ?
Blame remainers for time wasting too
as they’ve been shooting holes in their lifeboat since day one !
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