04-02-2019, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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You're deliberately missing the point. Carry on regardless.
The EU has not kept the member states from being at war from each other - NATO has done that and when you look at the bigger picture, NATO involves a lot more countries than just the 28 member states of the EU.
No NATO country has been at war with any NATO country since joining - a claim much wider than that which you seem to think is the result of EU membership.
My other points were about the EU's lack of engagement when there are problems in Europe - such as Bosnia. Only the UK and France (I think) actually did anything about it.
Your argument has absolutely no merit whatsoever.
04-02-2019, 04:37 PM
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Indeed of late with migrant crisis we have Poland ( can you believe Poland of all countries won’t acceot any migrants !!!) Hungary Bulgaria and others putting up borders faster than they can buy barbed wire and telling angela where to stick her rules ..we have every migrant in the world given free access right across Europe to enter the uk .... and the EU does nothing in reality so whilst countries aren’t at war yet , possibly ‘the peace’ is killing them instead as the right gain momentum in every election
04-02-2019, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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I'm sure they would have let us buy it if we wanted it.The new UK aircraft is worth a look, I think its called the Tempest but it's only in concept phase at the moment.
It looks amazing ... have google
Of course, we shall have to rely on our "out of date" Typhoons for the next 16 years or so!
The thing that worries me a little, though, is that what happened to the TSR2 all those years ago might just happen again, especially with the poor standard of MPs we have now.
04-02-2019, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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Yugoslavia is in Europe though isn't it.So there is mass genocide in Bosnia and because Yugoslavia is not in the EU or in NATO then there's nothing much anyone can do right ?
Is this your example of the EU keeping the peace ?
But fear not - the UK intervened and sorted things out quite swiftly, without any support from the EU I may add.
04-02-2019, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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War in the former Yugoslavia. No idea why we got involved.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-massacre-1995
04-02-2019, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Yugoslavia was not in the EU when the war took place. I am discussing EU members. We have already had lengthy debates about NATO contributions on another thread. But the fact is that member states have not engaged in a war with each other. That is a major advantage imo. If you don't agree that's fine but it remains a fact that unity promotes peace.
Making vague and expansive quotes such as 'unity promotes peace' is totally meaningless in this context.
It proves nothing and adds nothing to this debate.
04-02-2019, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nd-herzegovinahttps://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-massacre-1995
Nothing factual about the headline.....pure politics!
04-02-2019, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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That's a newspaper article.........Thereby a politicised opinion.Nothing factual about the headline.....pure politics!
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