05-10-2019, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Floydy
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That's right, Bob 
I did miss out one other thing which helps the planet. Drinking real ale. It's made of natural ingredients such as dead blackbirds and wood shavings but that's more tasty than all the chemicals that go into Carling Black Label!
mention that headache making black label, you missed out on
the fosters washing up water though?
Good Health!
Donkeyman!
05-10-2019, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Surfermom
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Hi, Donkeyman, We are in agreement that the warming and heating cycles of the Earth are cyclical, and that we appear to be entering a natural heating cycle.I do think man can make it worse...but what we aren't talking about is... that we could make it better. The effects just haven't affected our finances or quality of life enough yet to do anything too drastic.
I don't think anyone will ever be forced to give up meat; it will just become too expensive to eat very much, if any, of it.
Oh, and there's no judgement from me; we vegetarians (unfortunately) are out here overbreeding with the rest of them.
like a pretty cool chick?
Things seem more laid back regarding the carnivore v vegan issue
over there l think?
But over here, in the space of about 4yrs, vegans have grown from
almost zero to almost overwhelming! They even talk of forcing
farmers to get rid of 50% of their animals? But our situation is very
different to yours as we are a very small overpopulated island,
Whereas you guys have vast areas to live in?
Anyway, its been nice chatting to you, keep on posting!
Regards Donkeyman!
05-10-2019, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Floydy
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That's right, Bob I did miss out one other thing which helps the planet. Drinking real ale. It's made of natural ingredients such as dead blackbirds and wood shavings but that's more tasty than all the chemicals that go into Carling Black Label!
Oh by the way Floydy, I've just got you one in!!
05-10-2019, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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You certainly know your ales Floydy and your spot on when youmention that headache making black label, you missed out on
the fosters washing up water though?
Good Health!
Donkeyman!
Originally Posted by John
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Agree about that diabolical Carling. A really desperate drink!Oh by the way Floydy, I've just got you one in!!
Tell you what I've had this afternoon. I drove to the pub and had a pint of Black Sheep ale followed by a bottle of Becks Blue zero-alcohol imitation lager and a very nice Lavazza latte to finish off with. Still able to go out and enjoy myself through this illness and have a good old chinwag with The Saturday Afternoon Gang.
05-10-2019, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Surfermom
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If we don't control the population, nature will. The global system loves balance, and even if it means wiping out the human population, nature will achieve stasis. If we want to survive, then we have to work with the system because for all of our self-importance, nature could care less. We are a new, extremely resource-dependent species, and nature tends to be intolerant of the inelegant. Y'all go easy on us vegetarians.
I agree that something needs to be done for future generations as climate change will probably reduce the area of habitable land available for humans, and indeed, there are places now that cannot sustain life, and throwing money and resources at the people living there is just counterproductive, and a tempting opportunity for corruption.
The Earth is 71% water, and 29% land, 27% is high mountains, forests, deserts or unsuitable terrain for human habitation; 1.8% is pasture or arable farm land; mankind occupies some of the remaining 0.2% The world is a far bigger place than most people can contemplate and as you can see, as far as being overpopulated, the world hardly notices we are here.....And pre 20th century it didn’t until we started driving, flying and sailing big diesel engined or coal burning ships, and that’s when our problems began.
Yer average civilised bloke or woman these days wants a car each, complete with sat nav and all the latest gizmo’s. A house decorated every other year filled with labour saving devices such as dishwashers, microwaves, washing machines, fridges, freezers, TV’s, computers, smartphones, and then there is clothing (accounting for almost 30% of CO2 production and pollution) with fashions that change at the blink of an eye, so good clothes are binned off hardly worn. Food is not a problem, drive down to your local supermarket and purchase food from all over the world for less than the cost of smartphone contract....
We all earn too much money compared to our needs and it’s priced us out of the global market, obtaining most of our goods and food from somewhere else. Our priorities these days are listening to music, watching TV and box sets, playing computer games and spending time on facebook, twitter or forums...
Priorities in the fifties was putting food on the table and it was so expensive compared to wages, that most people I knew grew crops in their back gardens to save money. Nobody owned a car, they didn’t even own their own home, except the well to do...And things got repaired instead of binned.....
Everyone on this forum has heard this all before and I’m not suggesting that we return to those good old days, but for the human race to continue we must reduce our demand on the Earth’s resources because in comparison to our 19th century predecessors we are far too expensive to keep. Even a population of 7.7 billion living by 1800’s standards would put no strain on the Earth at all.
06-10-2019, 12:59 AM
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Donkeyman, thanks. Good to read your thoughts on the subject. One of the things I enjoy about this site is learning and appreciating the difference between our countries and cultures. Is the vegan movement over there really that militant?
Puddle Duck
, yes, we probably consume just too much of everything. It's awfully hard to discipline ourselves to do just about anything.Floydy, I think you express how most people feel. There's nothing wrong with the way you live. I suppose that if we all try a little, that's something
. Artful does make a point that if we are aware, we might find a way here and there, that combined with everyone else, might make a little difference. Muddy, you make an important point
. I suppose there is always the potential for new - old viruses 
. New one mutate like crazy so our immune systems have to remain vigilant. I do know that there was an outbreak of anthrax sometime back when it thawed out of permafrost. Immunologists are saying that the greater threat will probably come from tropical diseases like malaria and dengue fever as those pathogens have an expanded ecosystem.OGF, what a thoughtful post
! You touched on some very valid points regarding the livable parts of the earth and the lifestyles of previous generations. There is no doubt that our affluence has crept up on us, and I am old enough to suffer when something that can be repaired is tossed out because it's either too hard to find someone willing to do the repairs or replacement cost is cheaper. We probably need to consume less for obvious reasons, but even if we become more disciplined how do we keep our economies afloat in such consumer-driven economies
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06-10-2019, 10:13 AM
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Climate change! What sort of climate do we want? A moderately warm climate. This will upset people living in tropical regions like Africa and central America, those living in the the extreme northern and extreme southern parts of the planet. As the old saying goes, You can please some of the people some of the time etc;We can all do our bit to help things like global warming but IMO we can do very little as the whole way the universe is changing will effect us all. It has been said that our planet,s orbit is changing. Very slightly but changing nevertheless and the smallest change can make a huge difference to our climate. No matter what we do, we can do nothing in the long run. Our climate will change and there is nothing we can do to stop it. We may be able to slow the process down a little but that,s all.
Millions of years ago the northern part of our planet was covered in ice. A hundred years ago the Thames was known to freeze over and the sea around the coast was known to freeze. The earth is getting warmer and there is nothing we can do to stop it.
06-10-2019, 10:42 AM
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Just been watching the local politics show.Urging people to plant up to a million trees to 'Save the planet'
Fine but as soon as these trees start to grow along comes the council. "We have to build a thousand more houses" So up come the trees to be replaced with bricks and mortar.
We just can,t win.
06-10-2019, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by big ben
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Just been watching the local politics show.Urging people to plant up to a million trees to 'Save the planet'
Fine but as soon as these trees start to grow along comes the council. "We have to build a thousand more houses" So up come the trees to be replaced with bricks and mortar.
We just can,t win.
And we don't get bricks and mortar for free, lot's of heat (CO2) and pollution....(Lime Quarrying) makes a mess of the country....
06-10-2019, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Floydy
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Cheers lads! Tell you what I've had this afternoon. I drove to the pub and had a pint of Black Sheep ale followed by a bottle of Becks Blue zero-alcohol imitation lager and a very nice Lavazza latte to finish off with. Still able to go out and enjoy myself through this illness and have a good old chinwag with The Saturday Afternoon Gang.
Who should l listen to?
BDonkeyman!
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