07-09-2018, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Morticia
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For the first time ever I'm reading one of these threads .... Mr M is 68 and never had any notification from the GP. Having said that he wouldn't be bothered anyway.I thought they were for folk over 70?
My GP surgery hasn't sent the invitations out yet.
07-09-2018, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by realist
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actually there are 3 different types of flu vaccines for the 2018/2019 season. They are:• adjuvanted trivalent flu vaccine (ativ) – this is licensed for people aged 65 years and over and is the vaccine recommended by the joint committee on vaccination and immunisations (jcvi) for this age group.
• quadrivalent vaccine (qiv) – this is recommended for children aged from 6 months to 2 years and in adults from 18 years to less than 65 years of age who are at increased risk from flu because of a long term health condition.
• live attenuated influenza vaccine (laiv) – this is a nasal spray and is licensed for children and young people from 2 years old to less than 18 years of age. The age groups targeted in england for this vaccine in 2018/19 are two and three year olds (through their gp surgery) and school aged children in reception class through to year 5 (through schools). If laiv is clinically contraindicated qiv is used in this age group. Both are procured centrally by phe and can be ordered via immform.
For the full details you can read the latest vaccine update from public health england here:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...gust_2018_.pdf
it also lists the specific manufacturer's vaccine that will be used this season. There are as follows:
i would urge anyone thinking of having the vaccine to first establish exactly which of those vaccines your gp or clinic wants to give you and then to look up that specific vaccine on the internet to establish:
1. The full list of ingredients
2. The known adverse side effects and serious complications
you should also ask for a copy of the package insert of any vaccine that they offer you so you can read all the facts first.
The website below provides a good explanation of the typical vaccine ingredients which you can check against whatever is in your chosen vaccine.
http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vaccine-ingredients
07-09-2018, 02:52 PM
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Re: Flu jab 2018 booked
Originally Posted by Twink55
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but if you have an underlying health condition that puts you at greater risk, you can get them at any age.
Such facts are clearly explained in the various leaflets that come in the vaccine packets, so people need to take the time and care insist that their GP's give them a packet insert leaflet.
Here's the related information from the insert leaflet from one of the UK 2018/2019 flu vaccines
https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/9223
Seqirus FLUAD
"Immunisation shall be postponed in patients with febrile illness or acute infection."
"Antibody response in patients with endogenous or iatrogenic immunosuppression may be insufficient."
"A protective response may not be elicited in all vaccinees. "
"No clinical data on concomitant administration with other vaccines are available."
"If Fluad needs to be used at the same time as another vaccine, immunisation should be carried out on separate limbs. It should be noted that the adverse reactions may be intensified. "
"The immunological response may be diminished if the patient is undergoing immunosuppressant treatment."
"Anxiety-related reactions, including vasovagal reactions (syncope), hyperventilation or stress-related reactions, can occur. . . . this can be accompanied by several neurological signs such as transient visual disturbance, paraesthesia and tonic-clonic limb movements during recovery"
Adverse Side Effects seen during clinical trials
Very Common - Headache, Myalgia, Tenderness, pain at injection site, fatigue,
Common - Nausea, Diarrhoea, Vomiting, Sweating, Arthralgia
Other General disorders observed
Asthenia, Influenza-Like Illness
Extensive swelling of injected limb lasting more than one week, injection-site cellulitis-like reaction (some cases of swelling, pain and redness extending more than 10 cm and lasting more than one week).
Allergic reactions including anaphylactic shock (in rare cases), anaphylaxis and angioedema.
Pain in the extremity, muscular weakness
Encephalomyelitis, Guillain-Barré Syndrome, convulsions, neuritis, neuralgia, paraesthesia, syncope, presyncope.
Generalised skin reactions including erythema multiforme, urticaria, pruritus or non-specific rash.
Vasculitis with transient renal involvement.
Ingredients
sodium chloride, potassium chloride, potassium dihydrogen phosphate, disodium phosphate dihydrate, magnesium chloride hexahydrate, calcium chloride dihydrate and water
Always check out the substances in any vaccine you are thinking of having.
07-09-2018, 07:40 PM
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This made me smile...Last winter 68.7% of frontline NHS staff – the highest proportion ever – received the vaccine,
though many doubt it works.
At some NHS trusts more than 90% of personnel were vaccinated last winter, but at others immunisation rates were as low as 20%-30%.
07-09-2018, 08:01 PM
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Re: Flu jab 2018 booked
Originally Posted by ruthio
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This made me smile...Last winter 68.7% of frontline NHS staff – the highest proportion ever – received the vaccine,
though many doubt it works.
At some NHS trusts more than 90% of personnel were vaccinated last winter, but at others immunisation rates were as low as 20%-30%.
Here's the letter just sent out to NHS execs:
http://www.nhsemployers.org/news/201...been-published
"07/09/2018 14:44:25
Today, senior leaders in the NHS published a letter that was sent to all chief executives of NHS trusts highlighting the importance of healthcare workers protecting their patients, colleagues and families by getting vaccinated against flu.
The letter advises organisations to plan to offer every staff member the flu vaccine, in order to achieve the highest possible level of vaccination coverage this winter. There is an ambition of 100 per cent of healthcare workers with direct patient contact to be vaccinated.
The letter provides a best practice management checklist for healthcare worker vaccination and suggests approaches for ‘higher-risk clinical’ environments.
It also confirms that trusts are expected to continue to report uptake monthly during the vaccination season via ‘ImmForm’. This year trusts are also required to report how many healthcare workers with direct patient contact have been offered the vaccine and opted-out. This information will be published monthly by Public Health England on its website. "
07-09-2018, 08:13 PM
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Let's be under no misapprehension, the campaigns for the flu vaccine industry are massive and far reaching. It really IS huge business, $billions of profits are at stake.Here's the NICE guidelines to health workers asking them to take any and every opportunity to push the vaccine.
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng1...secondary-care
Secondary care
1.4.7 Consider providing flu vaccination during routine appointments in specialist clinics to people who are at high risk from flu and its complications. For example, people with immunosuppression, chronic liver or neurological disease, and pregnant women.
1.4.8 When the opportunity arises, for example when people attend routine hospital appointments, identify anyone in a clinical risk group who has not been vaccinated and offer them a flu vaccination. Ensure this is in line with any local patient group directions or enhanced service arrangements that have been agreed with commissioners (see NICE's guideline on patient group directions).
1.4.9 When offering people the flu vaccination:
- Make the offer face-to-face, if possible.
- Use positive messages to encourage people to have the vaccination. For example, for a pregnant woman the message could be that the flu vaccination gives 'two for one' protection to both her and her baby before and after the birth.
- Tailor information to the person's situation, for example their pregnancy or clinical risk factors. Include the risks of not being vaccinated.
- Ensure information is simple, easy to read (if written) and provides a consistent message about flu and flu vaccination.
- Ensure a healthcare practitioner they know (for example, a midwife or a consultant from an outpatient clinic they attend) offers the vaccination.
- Make it easy for the person to get the vaccination, for example by offering and administering it during the same visit.
All this management top down effort and campaigning for a vaccine that has been proven beyond doubt to be utterly useless, pure snake oil !
08-09-2018, 07:58 AM
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Realist, as a child I had small pox, diphtheria & polio jabs, & I didn't get those diseases... so do you think those jabs were a waste of time? You can't say they didn't work, because the reason for injecting kids with the vaccine was to reduce the number of them who did get it, and then pass it on to others. The theory worked because the number of cases of these diseases was dramatically reduced, and they are only likely to return if we no longer give those protective jabs & people from unprotected countries come to Britain & bring the disease with them!I hear so many people say " I've got the flu" when what they really have is a bad cold...a completely different virus. The flu jab is designed to give help to those, who catch one of the 5 viruses most likely to cause a flu pandemic. Most of us are unlikely to catch these viruses, but if a pandemic did occur I believe that many would kill to get the limited number of jabs that are available.
The only way to prove that the jab doesn't work is to inject half the population, but not the other half, then wait for a pandemic & see how many of each group survive. If there is no significant difference , then I may believe that my jabs have been a waste of time.
Until then, I will continue to have them, because if I didn't and I caught one of the viruses it protects against, I would be distraught, if people I love and care about, caught it and died.
Flu is not a bad cold & it can be a killer, so I prefer to be cautious, rather than rely on the chances of being cured if it does happen.
As a child, I never wanted the jabs but my parents made me have them, because a family member died from Diphtheria & they knew the damage that polio could cause, even if it didn't kill.
It is up to an individual if they want to try alternative methods of avoiding illness, but the NHS can't make them and many won't , but they can help by offering something that may reduce the effects...... and when there is flu pandemics I have never known anyone refuse the jab because some company says it doesn't work
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