29-10-2018, 10:30 PM
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Re: Black page in EU history
29-10-2018, 10:42 PM
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Re: Black page in EU history
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Ok explain what you meant by the EU poking the Russian bear. It's your statement. If you see Ukraine as independent then joining the EU is not poking Russia. The EU Ukraine negotiations were going on for years with no problems. Why do you think the EU is poking Russia?
Still, here we go.
The Ukraine, an independent country, lies between Poland and Russia (look at a map).
Poland is a NATO signatory; Russia is not.
NATO and Russia are, whilst not deadly enemies, are each afraid of the other's expansion.
As things stand, Russia sees the Ukraine as a buffer state - as long as it remains independent.
The expansionist EU would like to add the Ukraine to its empire. There would then be a direct face-to-face border between the EU and Russia.
NATO divisions would directly face Russian divisions.
Russia would have lost its buffer state.
(Actually, I'd prefer it if the much vaunted European Army directly faced Russia. Without the Yanks backing them up, I have every confidence that the glorious European Army would immediately run away!)
So, I never said your words: "You were saying they should answer to Russia and not make their own decisions to join the EU."
Are you big enough to apologise?
No. I thought not.
29-10-2018, 10:53 PM
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Re: Black page in EU history
Originally Posted by JBR
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I really shouldn't have to explain such simple matters to you, should I?Still, here we go.
The Ukraine, an independent country, lies between Poland and Russia (look at a map).
Poland is a NATO signatory; Russia is not.
NATO and Russia are, whilst not deadly enemies, are each afraid of the other's expansion.
As things stand, Russia sees the Ukraine as a buffer state - as long as it remains independent.
The expansionist EU would like to add the Ukraine to its empire. There would then be a direct face-to-face border between the EU and Russia.
NATO divisions would directly face Russian divisions.
Russia would have lost its buffer state.
(Actually, I'd prefer it if the much vaunted European Army directly faced Russia. Without the Yanks backing them up, I have every confidence that the glorious European Army would immediately run away!)
So, I never said your words: "You were saying they should answer to Russia and not make their own decisions to join the EU."
Are you big enough to apologise?
No. I thought not.
NB there is already a face to face border between the EU and Russia - or have you not checked the geography??? Russia also shares borders with NATO members.
29-10-2018, 11:04 PM
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Re: Black page in EU history
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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I see. So you think the EU should appease Russia in its desire to make "buffer states" of countries that were formerly in the Soviet Union?
Moreover, Russia are not 'making buffer states'. The Ukraine is effectively a buffer state between Poland and Russia and, as such, benefits both of its neighbour states.
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Exactly how is Ukraine "independent" if it has no self determination?
I should give it a rest now, if I were you Annie, before you make yourself look even more silly.
You'll be pleased to know, though, that despite this silliness, I have no intention of adding you to my 'red list'.
29-10-2018, 11:23 PM
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Re: Black page in EU history
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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"The Ukraine"? Are you Russian JBR?
Please explain what is wrong with the use of the words 'The Ukraine'?
Is that offensive in some way, or are you perhaps just grasping at straws?
By the way, could you possibly consider attempting to answer my two questions in my previous post?
29-10-2018, 11:27 PM
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Re: Black page in EU history
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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By the way JBR you seem to have forgotten Poland has a direct border with Russia. I suggest you check your geography of the region.
As hard as I look, I cannot see a direct border between Poland and Russia.
There is, however, a direct border between Poland and Belarus.
Still waiting for an apology. Any apology for any of your mistakes would do.
29-10-2018, 11:32 PM
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Re: Black page in EU history
Originally Posted by JBR
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For heaven's sake, what on earth is wrong now?Please explain what is wrong with the use of the words 'The Ukraine'?
Is that offensive in some way, or are you perhaps just grasping at straws?
By the way, could you possibly consider attempting to answer my two questions in my previous post?
29-10-2018, 11:32 PM
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Re: Black page in EU history
Originally Posted by Julie1962
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Well the figure on the bus which you quoted wasn't a definite it said we could not we will. Subtle difference that remainers seem unable to understand.The rest has recently been disproved I can't find the link but only last month they admitted wages had been adversely affected and that most eu migrants earned far less than they needed to make them net pluses for the country and the benefits have over the years poured out of uk into other countries where they send their money home to. When you look at lack of houses it almost exactly mirrors number of eu migrants here which can't just be a coincidence.
One other point those dumbass Remainers fail to grasp when they are attempting to justify their thwarting of democracy with their bogus assertions is that it is irrelevant as to whether the 'NATION' is allegedly better off if that only
benefits the elite and those with their noses in the trough. If you are one of the millions who AREN'T benefitting from the EU and your life is materially affected to it's detriment you are not going to take the attitude of 'Oh Jolly whato! My life is shite , my prospects are f*cked and my community is an unrecognisable shit tip , but hey, I hear the 'Nation' has made a few extra bucks.
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