25-12-2019, 02:41 PM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by JBR
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In all seriousness, the words:
"Deutschland, Deutschland, über alles"
= "Germany, Germany, over all"
is often supposed to mean Germany over all, suggesting military superimposition of other nations,
whereas, in fairness, I regard it as
= "Germany, Germany, above all"
in the sense that it means the respecting their country above all others, with absolutely no suggestion of it conquering other countries!
Simply a patriotic song, no different to those of other national anthems, including our own!
To be honest, I often think that more people in our own country would do well to respect it more than they do...
naming no names, of course!
In 1840 when hoffmann von fallersleben wrote this song germany had reorganised and consisted of 40 separate mini-states. The first two stanzas are about the beauty of the country, about wine and singing (how german). The third turned into the anthem inciting love for their new country.
So the german anthem is not about ruling other's countries or seas (like the british) but about loving your own country.
25-12-2019, 10:07 PM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Solasch
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In 1806, when napoleon beat germany, it consisted of over 1000 states and looked like the picture enclosed. The ensuing weakness made for the defeat by napoleon.In 1840 when hoffmann von fallersleben wrote this song germany had reorganised and consisted of 40 separate mini-states. The first two stanzas are about the beauty of the country, about wine and singing (how german). The third turned into the anthem inciting love for their new country.
So the german anthem is not about ruling other's countries or seas (like the british) but about loving your own country.
Donkeyman!
25-12-2019, 11:13 PM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by realspeed
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Quote " Europe's high standards on human rights" unquote.Obviously the article was written by someone who is not aware of refugees should be taken in by the first "safe" country ie France. Human rights???? what about the camps around Calais, what about their human rights??? why hasn't France accepted them and given them homes and jobs as well a other EU members
No the EU sticks up its fingers to human rights, this refugee problem is ignored by most EU countries, it is only us that try and give them " human rights" over and above our own peoples needs
26-12-2019, 10:32 AM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by JBR
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The Armada was Spanish. Ours was/is called the Royal Navy.We won, by the way.
It just shows that the English Armada is not taught in English schools, it's a bit of history erased from the books and for very good reason.
The English Armada was 1589, The Spanish Armada was in 1588.
Never mind, read about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada
You will be no wiser but at least you will be better informed.
26-12-2019, 11:29 AM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Bruce
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Ha ha ha... You won eh? The Anglo Spanish War (which lasted about 20 years) was at best a draw.It just shows that the English Armada is not taught in English schools, it's a bit of history erased from the books and for very good reason.
The English Armada was 1589, The Spanish Armada was in 1588.
Never mind, read about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada
You will be no wiser but at least you will be better informed.
What do you think would happen now ? It wasnt so long ago we had to help bail Spain out of its bankruptcy.
26-12-2019, 01:24 PM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Bruce
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Ha ha ha... You won eh? The Anglo Spanish War (which lasted about 20 years) was at best a draw.It just shows that the English Armada is not taught in English schools, it's a bit of history erased from the books and for very good reason.
The English Armada was 1589, The Spanish Armada was in 1588.
Never mind, read about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada
You will be no wiser but at least you will be better informed.
The Spanish Armada and the so-called 'English Armada' were but two events in centuries of disagreements between the two countries. At the end of the day, we won!
26-12-2019, 11:16 PM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by JBR
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Bruce, I understand (thought I'm not sure why) that you hold anti-British thoughts, but consider this. Since the end of the 16th Century, the British have been a far more capable nation militarily than Spain.The Spanish Armada and the so-called 'English Armada' were but two events in centuries of disagreements between the two countries. At the end of the day, we won!
Originally Posted by Bruce
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The English Armada probably seemed a good idea at the time. Whether Brexit was a good or bad idea will only reveal itself with time.
26-12-2019, 11:56 PM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Bruce
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You're such a sensitive little soul. I have no anti British thoughts any more than I have anti Belgium thoughts. You, as usual, wander off into irrelevancy with your jingoistic posts. Let's remember what I actually wrote prior to your total ignorance of history intervening:Get it now?
27-12-2019, 11:36 AM
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Re: '' Brexit was a distraction now Europe is facing a hellish 2020''
Originally Posted by Bruce
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Ha ha ha... You won eh? The Anglo Spanish War (which lasted about 20 years) was at best a draw.It just shows that the English Armada is not taught in English schools, it's a bit of history erased from the books and for very good reason.
The English Armada was 1589, The Spanish Armada was in 1588.
Never mind, read about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada
You will be no wiser but at least you will be better informed.
First, you complain of our fixation with brexit, yet you post on the
Brexit forum??
Second, you state we will be better informed,but no wiser? Which
is at best a contradiction??
Donkeyman!
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