Nightingale Hospitals !!

As suspected the new hospitals don't have enough staff to operate
them according to the body responsible for training new nurses??
Who's fault is this??
They have had over a year to engage and give basic training to new
recruits, so why the deficit?
Do we to have an enquiry to get anything done?

Donkeyman! 🤔🤔

Re: Nightingale Hospitals !!

Surely, there are lots of people out of work now in the hospitality industry, or people being furloughed, can't these be enlisted into the cooking, cleaning, and maintenance of the Nightingales? What are all the hotel cleaners doing now and local staff from the cruise ships?

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I don't think I'd like someone unqualified in charge of an ITU bed. It's a specialist job. Even the unqualified vaccinators must have supervision from a clinician on site for safety reasons. So at the moment the vaccination efforts will also be putting pressure on staffing resources.

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I wasn't suggesting that a hotel cleaner would be administering any kind of medical assistance Annie, but a fully functioning hospital is a sum of all it's parts, not just medically trained staff. If you're going to die in a hospital bed, at least it would be nice to have someone bring you a last cup of tea...Or does someone need a degree to do that?
By the way things are going, it's either that, or die in a draughty corridor...

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I don't think they are short of ancillary staff OGF.

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English NHS still short of more than 36,000 nurses

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/wo...acute%20nurses.

26 NOVEMBER, 2020

No "spare" nurses for the Nightingales, then .....

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No big surprise.

The rot set in when nursing became a degree course.

I'm all in favour of degree courses for higher levels of nursing: specialisms and supervisory positions.

The majority of nursing duties: looking after ill patients including basic nursing duties like taking temperatures, dressing wounds, etc. should not need a degree.

Both my mother and Marge's mother were SENs in the good old days. There were, in addition, more highly qualified SRNs (still no degrees) for more specialist types of nursing. Every ward was in the charge of a senior SRN with, of course, full nursing qualifications, and the whole hospital's nursing staff under the ultimate control of a matron, compared to what we have today: a virtual army of 'nursing officers' complete with an even larger army of clinically non-qualified pen-pushers.

Things ran like clockwork then and, no doubt, with far less need for paperwork and meetings.

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During the first lockdown didn't they bring in trainee nurses from their university studies to help out? Why can't they do the same again in the ICU wards to release a number of well-trained nurses for the Nightingales? And then there are the Armed Forces medical staff. What about releasing some of them to help out?

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Hi

ICU Nurses take an age to train.

Ward cleaners, Catering Staff are contracted out in many NHS Trusts, and yes there are shortages.

There certainly were in Stoke over Christmas.

Lots of Covid Patients coming in, not many deaths, but the new variant is affecting more younger people who need specialist beds for some time.

It is a complex treatment, loads of blood tests for the lab, loads of medication from the Pharmacy. delays all round.

In order to reduce infections, you stay ia assessment until the results of your Covid Test

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I understand ICU nurses take ages to train, Swimmy, BUT surely 1 or 2/ward/shift could be replaced by other nurses/student nurses to allow the fully trained ones to go to the Nightingales? The same goes for the doctors.