01-01-2021, 04:53 PM
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Re: Nightingale Hospitals !!
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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I understand ICU nurses take ages to train, Swimmy, BUT surely 1 or 2/ward/shift could be replaced by other nurses/student nurses to allow the fully trained ones to go to the Nightingales? The same goes for the doctors.
I can only speak as I find Percy.
I was in a Regional Critical Care Centre, Major Trauma Unit.
It is like Star Trek with all the machines and screens and staff.
They had reached their limits, they were having to open more Covid Wards, which to reduce transmission have less beds and more staff.
On the Coronary wards you did not get your morning or afternoon drink at times, cleaning staff had been moved to the Covid wards, so one cleaner for 4 patients.
I am not saying that you are wrong, just explaining what is happening.
As far as the Military are concerned they have been cut significantly.
There are 5,000 already working for the NHS.
My Specialist PTSD Nurse is still a Reservist. he has been called back in already.
01-01-2021, 04:54 PM
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Re: Nightingale Hospitals !!
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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I understand ICU nurses take ages to train, Swimmy, BUT surely 1 or 2/ward/shift could be replaced by other nurses/student nurses to allow the fully trained ones to go to the Nightingales? The same goes for the doctors.
There's a huge number of qualified staff working in other areas, recently-retired or otherwise inactive too.
But publicising anything that be even vaguely positive goes against what our media stand for nowadays.
Here's proof of our media's deliberate misinterpretation and "spin", from just September:
"According to NHS Digital, the number of nurses in the English NHS has increased by 13,840 compared to last year and the number of doctors has risen by 9,306."
https://www.hsj.co.uk/workforce/the-...028369.article
01-01-2021, 05:04 PM
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Re: Nightingale Hospitals !!
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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Of course, and as I've said before there are ways.There's a huge number of qualified staff working in other areas, recently-retired or otherwise inactive too.
But publicising anything that be even vaguely positive goes against what our media stand for nowadays.
Here's proof of our media's deliberate misinterpretation and "spin", from just September:
"According to NHS Digital, the number of nurses in the English NHS has increased by 13,840 compared to last year and the number of doctors has risen by 9,306."
https://www.hsj.co.uk/workforce/the-...028369.article
Not the best link to prove your view.
I was very lucky, got in just as the rush was building up.
12 hours later I would have been waiting in an ambulance outside, or to put it bluntly, dead.
I was incredibly lucky and incredibly grateful.
The boss, the Professor who treated me a few weeks previously came in in his own time, saw me and I was on for a proceedure which saved my life.
01-01-2021, 05:17 PM
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Re: Nightingale Hospitals !!
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiNot the best link to prove your view.
I was very lucky, got in just as the rush was building up.
12 hours later I would have been waiting in an ambulance outside, or to put it bluntly, dead.
I was incredibly lucky and incredibly grateful.
The boss, the Professor who treated me a few weeks previously came in in his own time, saw me and I was on for a proceedure which saved my life.
Are you having a "specsavers" moment?
01-01-2021, 05:22 PM
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Re: Nightingale Hospitals !!
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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Er ...... proof that there ARE more nurses AND more doctors from a professional body doesn't "prove my view"?Are you having a "specsavers" moment?
Nope.
I can addup and the NHS is in a mess now in some parts of the UK.
01-01-2021, 05:50 PM
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Re: Nightingale Hospitals !!
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiNope.
I can addup and the NHS is in a mess now in some parts of the UK.
A serious question: can you remember a time when some parts of the NHS have not been "in a mess"?
Because the NHS has been the same in that regard since inception.
Also consider the ancient maxim "seek and ye shall find".
Try for once if you can to look at UK current affairs with the same positivity (or at least pragmatism) with which you regard your current situation.
"Alongside this, the latest UCAS figures out last month show there are record numbers of people accepting a place to study nursing in England, with a 23% increase on the same time last year, or 5,000 more student nurses."
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/o...ing-in-the-nhs
01-01-2021, 06:37 PM
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Re: Nightingale Hospitals !!
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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It wasn't in a mess before the Tories took over and created havoc.
Much of the mess is down to Labour's insistence on using PFI and their stopping GP's from working out of hours.
But the NHS has (as you would expect from a nationalised industry) always been in a mess of some sort or another regardless of which "flavour" government has been in charge.
https://www.politico.eu/article/12-p...ng-lists-debt/
01-01-2021, 07:06 PM
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Re: Nightingale Hospitals !!
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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Rubbish.Much of the mess is down to Labour's insistence on using PFI and their stopping GP's from working out of hours.
But the NHS has (as you would expect from a nationalised industry) always been in a mess of some sort or another regardless of which "flavour" government has been in charge.
https://www.politico.eu/article/12-p...ng-lists-debt/
For instance, do they have any spare capacity available to
accommodate covid patients in any way?? Or do they only take
paying guests?
Surely in a national emergency they could be mobilised for the
common good ?
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔
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