01-10-2018, 09:27 PM
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Re: Non EU countries
Originally Posted by Solasch
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There is a lot of unrest in the Netherlands. Not so much as that the financial UK contribution will be missed. The Dutch haggle (as you might expect from us) whether te deficit should be coughed up by the remaining 27 or by curtailing spendings (we favour spending cuts).Our government is placating us:
Goods from UK will be export taxed by the UK plus import taxed by the EU. British produce will no longer be competitive, so our farmers and industry have new opportunities. Specific for the Netherlands, our agricultural products are specific and are unavailable from UK. Although these products will be more expensive, the British have no choice but keep buying them (that is: British consumers will foot this bill).
Although the Dutch government preaches a message of confidence, people still are uncertain. We know what we have, so why rock the boat? is the prevailing feeling.
The Germans are much more confident. After more than 70 years they will get the upper hand with the British. So the only allies of the Brexiteers are the Germans.
My ideal would be for us (and you) to return to the earlier agreements we had under the EEC (the Common Market). We could continue to trade without many, or even most, restrictions and tariffs.
We should be permitted, at the same time, to create our own trade agreements with other countries all over the world.
Unfortunately, the 'rulers' of the EU don't want that. They would lose their political control of us. They are also concerned with free movement which, as others have explained, is to our certain disadvantage.
We have decided that we don't want to be under the political (and judicial) control of a foreign power. We don't want to be restricted in whom we may trade with under a mutually beneficial agreement.
Yes, we'd be happy to trade freely with the EU as well as the rest of the world. Unfortunately, the EU don't want that and, to make matters worse, they want us to pay them through the nose for the privilege.
01-10-2018, 09:28 PM
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Re: Non EU countries
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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An entirely reasonable stance. However, as you are well aware, the alternative view is that sometimes it's best to walk away which is what we appear to be doing and hope that we can work well with other landlords.Uncertain times ahead, to be sure. We'll have to wait for the dust to settle and see if it was all worth it.
Today there was something in the news about being a low tax economy again. How stupid. How are we going to fund our infrastructure? Pathetic, one dimensional nonsense. For those of you who think it's a good idea, it would mean getting rid of free schools and healthcare. This really will lead to a socialist revolution the way it's going.
01-10-2018, 09:32 PM
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Re: Non EU countries
Originally Posted by Solasch
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No worries. You abandoned them with, so they came to live in the UK, trading their specific goods
However, I trust in their willingness to forgive and to realise that the ordinary people of this country are not properly represented by our self-serving politicians.
01-10-2018, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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Well, it should be remembered that such things will apply in both directions.My ideal would be for us (and you) to return to the earlier agreements we had under the EEC (the Common Market). We could continue to trade without many, or even most, restrictions and tariffs.
We should be permitted, at the same time, to create our own trade agreements with other countries all over the world.
Unfortunately, the 'rulers' of the EU don't want that. They would lose their political control of us. They are also concerned with free movement which, as others have explained, is to our certain disadvantage.
We have decided that we don't want to be under the political (and judicial) control of a foreign power. We don't want to be restricted in whom we may trade with under a mutually beneficial agreement.
Yes, we'd be happy to trade freely with the EU as well as the rest of the world. Unfortunately, the EU don't want that and, to make matters worse, they want us to pay them through the nose for the privilege.
Nobody has free trade with the EU it was always as you seem to have admitted earlier not entirely free. Why should it be free? It's a big market and lucrative. All markets of major economies have barriers to entry. Why wouldn't they?
All the stuff people moan about has always been under our control (blue passports, immigration, our sovereignty). For some reason Britain bends over backwards to follow Eu rules when other members don't. It's beyond me why.
01-10-2018, 09:37 PM
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Re: Non EU countries
Originally Posted by JBR
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Yes, to be perfectly honest, many of us feel embarrassed that our politicians abandoned our allies in the Commonwealth, and I wouldn't blame them one bit if they decided they didn't want to know us.However, I trust in their willingness to forgive and to realise that the ordinary people of this country are not properly represented by our self-serving politicians.
01-10-2018, 09:37 PM
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Re: Non EU countries
[QUOTE=Solasch;1533423]No worries. You abandoned them with, so they came to live in the UK, trading their specific goods[/QUOTeAnd welcome they were and still are. People from the Commonwealth brought wealth to themselves and more importantly, to the UK, when they chose to live here.
I hope we can make amends to them once we leave.
01-10-2018, 09:40 PM
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Re: Non EU countries
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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This isn't a divorce or the end of a romance. There are no other landlords. We are like a teenager homeless on the streets. Reliant on the charity of strangers. Today there was something in the news about being a low tax economy again. How stupid. How are we going to fund our infrastructure? Pathetic, one dimensional nonsense. For those of you who think it's a good idea, it would mean getting rid of free schools and healthcare. This really will lead to a socialist revolution the way it's going.
01-10-2018, 09:41 PM
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Re: Non EU countries
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Maybe we will, maybe we won't, Solasch. 
They may wish instead to post them to some warmer climes, Barbados, Antigua or maybe even Australia,
our Commonwealth countries. We do owe them a debt, seeing as we all but abandoned them with trade when we were fraudulently taken into the EEC.
01-10-2018, 09:42 PM
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Re: Non EU countries
Originally Posted by JBR
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Er, don't forget about the sky falling down, Annie!
01-10-2018, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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We won't be able to afford British forces the way the negotiations are going.
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