30-07-2020, 02:10 PM
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Re: Japan Trade Deal in Weeks
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Did you notice what was expected, c.q. promised, and the present state of affairs?
30-07-2020, 02:58 PM
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Re: Japan Trade Deal in Weeks
Originally Posted by Solasch
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The deal with china I mentioned in post 26 was first mentioned there.
That article was 4 years old before Huawei and the Coronavirus outbreak.
So what's your point is it that 4 years ago we would want to do a trade deal with China but not anymore since the CCP caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, we found out that they steal IPR and spy on nations using their state funded 5G networks ?
Is that your point or am I missing something ?
31-07-2020, 01:05 AM
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Re: Japan Trade Deal in Weeks
Originally Posted by Bread
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What about it ?That article was 4 years old before Huawei and the Coronavirus outbreak.
So what's your point is it that 4 years ago we would want to do a trade deal with China but not anymore since the CCP caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, we found out that they steal IPR and spy on nations using their state funded 5G networks ?
Is that your point or am I missing something ?
Why on earth, if the threat is so great, did these people not speak out when David Cameron and the then chancellor, George Osborne, launched their bogus “golden era” in UK-China relations, promising ever closer ties? Where were they in 2015 when*Dave took Xi down the pub*for a pint? Providing the crisps, perhaps.
Even if they had not yet heard of the*brutal treatment*of Xinjiang’s Uighurs, were they truly unaware of China’s long record of oppression and social engineering in Tibet? Were they themselves among those blind “free world” decision-makers who wilfully disregarded the anti-democratic nature of Communist rule, China’s predatory trade and debt practices, its industrial espionage, intellectual property theft and systematic persecution of dissidents, writers,*academics, Christians and journalists?
It’s hard to imagine that such eminent parliamentarians were oblivious. So why did they not object earlier? One possible explanation is that Duncan Smith, Davis, Fox, Paterson and other new-minted human rights defenders were ardent Brexiters, before and after the 2016 referendum. Their overriding priority was pushing Brexit through – and for this the appearance of a friendly relationship with economically powerful China was crucial.
The Observer view on post-Brexit UK-China relations
Observer editorial
31-07-2020, 07:54 AM
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Re: Japan Trade Deal in Weeks
Originally Posted by Solasch
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[/B]Why on earth, if the threat is so great, did these people not speak out when David Cameron and the then chancellor, George Osborne, launched their bogus “golden era” in UK-China relations, promising ever closer ties? Where were they in 2015 when*Dave took Xi down the pub*for a pint? Providing the crisps, perhaps.
Even if they had not yet heard of the*brutal treatment*of Xinjiang’s Uighurs, were they truly unaware of China’s long record of oppression and social engineering in Tibet? Were they themselves among those blind “free world” decision-makers who wilfully disregarded the anti-democratic nature of Communist rule, China’s predatory trade and debt practices, its industrial espionage, intellectual property theft and systematic persecution of dissidents, writers,*academics, Christians and journalists?
It’s hard to imagine that such eminent parliamentarians were oblivious. So why did they not object earlier? One possible explanation is that Duncan Smith, Davis, Fox, Paterson and other new-minted human rights defenders were ardent Brexiters, before and after the 2016 referendum. Their overriding priority was pushing Brexit through – and for this the appearance of a friendly relationship with economically powerful China was crucial.
The Observer view on post-Brexit UK-China relations
Observer editorial
Look at the USA, for example. They had almost completed phase 1 of a trade deal and then when the spying and theft of IPR came about, they walked away, and then the COVID-19 crisis came about.
Your clutching at straws with this one - I don't know why you wrote it to be honest. Our trade with China is under strict scrutiny now and we already have plans to replace our Huawei 5G with a Japan - UK solution.
Typical of socialist newspapers to only print stuff about the catastrophe caused by socialism when there is something in it for them.
31-07-2020, 01:55 PM
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Re: Japan Trade Deal in Weeks
Originally Posted by Bread
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Typical of socialist newspapers to only print stuff about the catastrophe caused by socialism when there is something in it for them.
31-07-2020, 03:03 PM
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Re: Japan Trade Deal in Weeks
Originally Posted by Bread
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I don't think anyone can predict the future, not even David Davis. It's easy to come up with this phoney outrage when you have the benefit of hindsight.Look at the USA, for example. They had almost completed phase 1 of a trade deal and then when the spying and theft of IPR came about, they walked away, and then the COVID-19 crisis came about.
Your clutching at straws with this one - I don't know why you wrote it to be honest. Our trade with China is under strict scrutiny now and we already have plans to replace our Huawei 5G with a Japan - UK solution.
Typical of socialist newspapers to only print stuff about the catastrophe caused by socialism when there is something in it for them.
31-07-2020, 03:11 PM
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Re: Japan Trade Deal in Weeks
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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One of the biggest demands that the Chinese make if you want to open a factory over there is that you MUST hand over any secret production techniques you use and any and all intellectual property you own before you will even be granted permission to break ground.
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