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19-08-2019, 01:48 PM
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Re: EU Poker . . A Desperate Germany Blinks First

Originally Posted by Bruce ->
Bloody hell! We are in a panic because our growth for 2019, 2020 is predicted to be only about 2.75% because of the US trade war with China. My god, if the outlook was like yours I guess we'd have to cancel the barbie. How do you stand it?
They can't stand it.
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19-08-2019, 01:50 PM
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Re: EU Poker . . A Desperate Germany Blinks First

Originally Posted by Bread ->
On 1st November, the EU is insolvent. You must be proud of your unelected masters and the complete shambles they have made of negotiations. Who will make up the shortfall I wonder ? The German tax payer ?
You're not serious are you? Really? They made a shambles of the negotiations?

You've a couple of roos loose in the top paddock if you really believe that.
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19-08-2019, 01:53 PM
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Re: EU Poker . . A Desperate Germany Blinks First

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
In a lot of your posts Solly you infer that uk owes eu some
money for something, l dont think uk has lagged behind in
any of the danegeld we have been obliged to pay to eu!
So perhaps you could clarify what it is exactly that we owe
you, lm certain that if something is owed, and you submit
an invoice with supporting credible documentation it will all
be sorted out when these interminable so called negotiations
are completed?

Regards Donkeyman!
I've done before, but for you I will do it again because you hinted at korsakov.
On march 29 the withdrawal amount was 39bn. That was due to an 2 year transition period in which you were expected to pay the required membership due. Without that transition period, as in a no deal brexit, the amount due is somewhere in the order if 16 bn.
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19-08-2019, 02:06 PM
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Re: EU Poker . . A Desperate Germany Blinks First

Originally Posted by Bruce ->
Bloody hell! We are in a panic because our growth for 2019, 2020 is predicted to be only about 2.75% because of the US trade war with China. My god, if the outlook was like yours I guess we'd have to cancel the barbie. How do you stand it?
No wonder Ozzies have a reputation for optinism Brucy?
Ever lasting solar power, blue seas AND a positive growth
rate!!
Add to that plenty of room to move about and you've got
it all!!
Over here we've got a BOE that is scared to move more than
•25% in any direction, ageing infrastructure, little sunshine
rife pessimism, stupid poloticians, hung parliament,(should be)
Must l go on?
And to answer your last question, with difficulty!
Its only my optimistic pessimism that keeps me going!!

Regards Donkeyman!
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19-08-2019, 02:15 PM
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Re: EU Poker . . A Desperate Germany Blinks First

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
I've done before, but for you I will do it again because you hinted at korsakov.
On march 29 the withdrawal amount was 39bn. That was due to an 2 year transition period in which you were expected to pay the required membership due. Without that transition period, as in a no deal brexit, the amount due is somewhere in the order if 16 bn.
As l said also Solly, send in the invoice complete with
paperwork once all the hysteria has died down and l am sure
you will be accomodated!

Regards Donkeyman!
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19-08-2019, 02:23 PM
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Re: EU Poker . . A Desperate Germany Blinks First

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
As l said also Solly, send in the invoice complete with
paperwork once all the hysteria has died down and l am sure
you will be accomodated!

Regards Donkeyman!
Waiting for the outcome. If you ratify the WA it's ca 31, no deal 16, revoking is 0.
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19-08-2019, 02:38 PM
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Re: EU Poker . . A Desperate Germany Blinks First

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Waiting for the outcome. If you ratify the WA it's ca 31, no deal 16, revoking is 0.
Lets just wait Solly?
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19-08-2019, 02:56 PM
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Re: EU Poker . . A Desperate Germany Blinks First

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Lets just wait Solly?
Regards Donkeyman!
That is what we, the people, are doing, isn't it.
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19-08-2019, 04:04 PM
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Re: EU Poker . . A Desperate Germany Blinks First

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Either way you are short of 39 billion ....

On 1st November, the EU is insolvent. You must be proud of your unelected masters and the complete shambles they have made of negotiations. Who will make up the shortfall I wonder ? The German tax payer ?
Hi

The EU have done their figures, they are not insolvent.

The £39 Billion included a two year transition period, we have already had an extension from March this year.

This brings the sum owing down to £32 Billion.

Half of this is the remainder of the transition period, the other half , around £16 Billion, is the amount owing to the EU in the Withdrawal Agreement.

The EU are confident that they can enforce this in the International Courts.

We will have to wait and see.

The EU are imposing Full WTO Tariffs on day one of a No Deal.

The UK is not doing the same, we have already published our WTO Tariff Schedules, we are only imposing a minimal schedule.

The EU will be collecting a significant amount of money from increased tariffs from the UK.

The EU sums, the ones they are working on, result in a shortfall of around 500 million a year for each EU Country.

This is peanuts in terms of overall budgets.

The EU will have a larger short term hit due to their No Deal Preparations, the so called Mini Deals Boris is spouting off about.

These are not Mini Deals, no input from the UK at all, they are short term measures designed to protect EU Exports to the UK for a time limited period specific to each type.

This is purely in the interests of the EU, not us.

If there is one thing Brexit should have taught us, it is that the EU Politicians and Civil Servants are much better at looking after their own interests than ours are in looking after ours.

If we had Merkel and Macron negotiating on behalf of the UK and the EU had May negotiating on behalf of the EU, Brexit would have been very different.
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19-08-2019, 04:40 PM
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Re: EU Poker . . A Desperate Germany Blinks First

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

The EU have done their figures, they are not insolvent.

The £39 Billion included a two year transition period, we have already had an extension from March this year.

This brings the sum owing down to £32 Billion.

Half of this is the remainder of the transition period, the other half , around £16 Billion, is the amount owing to the EU in the Withdrawal Agreement.

The EU are confident that they can enforce this in the International Courts.

We will have to wait and see.

The EU are imposing Full WTO Tariffs on day one of a No Deal.

The UK is not doing the same, we have already published our WTO Tariff Schedules, we are only imposing a minimal schedule.

The EU will be collecting a significant amount of money from increased tariffs from the UK.

The EU sums, the ones they are working on, result in a shortfall of around 500 million a year for each EU Country.

This is peanuts in terms of overall budgets.

The EU will have a larger short term hit due to their No Deal Preparations, the so called Mini Deals Boris is spouting off about.

These are not Mini Deals, no input from the UK at all, they are short term measures designed to protect EU Exports to the UK for a time limited period specific to each type.

This is purely in the interests of the EU, not us.

If there is one thing Brexit should have taught us, it is that the EU Politicians and Civil Servants are much better at looking after their own interests than ours are in looking after ours.

If we had Merkel and Macron negotiating on behalf of the UK and the EU had May negotiating on behalf of the EU, Brexit would have been very different.

Don't you think it would have made a difference if UK negotiators had a better understanding of facts? Now they stepped to the negotiation table with ideas fed in the campaign about the great deal the UK would get. About cake to be had etc.
Negotiating starts with preparing yourself. Davis, robinson, you name them, had no idea about what they would face.
 
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