28-07-2019, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Why do we need high speed freight trains?
28-07-2019, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Is this happening anywhere in the world at all Todgy,Sounds more like a concept to me,
We cant even stop our rails from buckling in a few degrees
of ambient temp increase yet??
Regards Donkeyman!
28-07-2019, 11:51 PM
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Re: Remember HS2? Boris approves HS3!
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Have you ever heard of "just in time" manufacturing and stock control? Or resource time management?
28-07-2019, 11:53 PM
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Re: Remember HS2? Boris approves HS3!
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Of course high speed rail freight transport is being used.
29-07-2019, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Yes I have thank you very much! I don't see what shaving a half hour off a delivery would make to just in time manufacturing. Plus it's certainly not going to make our goods cheaper if it costs more to transport inputs.
29-07-2019, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Do you have evidence of the economic benefits because it just doesn't add up as to how these will accrue overnight or even over several decades to offset a 77bn investment...
Keep in mind that goods being marshalled is a time sensitive loss, goods in transit are a time sensitive loss, goods held in inventory are a time sensitive loss, finished goods are a time sensitive loss as are finished goods in transit to customer is a time sensitive loss (unless payment is made based on some form of fob) and time of inventory to point of sale is a time sensitive loss.
Reducing transit time is always a real winner and even more so if the goods are perishable or a limited life.
Then there is the enabling spin off that rapid efficient transit links provide. Lousy or slow transit links do not attract new enterprises to a place, in fact are a big time put-off when business investment is concerned. Fast transport links are the precise opposite.
Overall the High Speed links are an exceptionally great investment for this country.
29-07-2019, 11:22 AM
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High speed rail links are not just about transport. Along the new HS2 rail line will be industrial areas set up which will encourage growth and jobs. Then will come more housing and the mobility of people from the large cities into smaller new towns.I'm in the minority that supports HS2 and HS3. Its far too much money that has been spent so far but we could reduce that through privatisation of infrastructure post Brexit which would see revenues returned to the UK treasury over the long term.
Meanwhile, Poland gets its road and rail paid for by UK contributions into the Cohesion Fund.... you may notice, we have some of the worst railways and roads in Europe, and yet we are the second biggest net contributor, plus, we pay 1/5th of the Cohesion Fund but receive absolutely nothing back. Seems its OK for the UK to pay for everyone else rail and road instead of taking care of our own.
Where is our EU investment ?
29-07-2019, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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High speed rail links are not just about transport. Along the new HS2 rail line will be industrial areas set up which will encourage growth and jobs. Then will come more housing and the mobility of people from the large cities into smaller new towns. I'm in the minority that supports HS2 and HS3. Its far too much money that has been spent so far but we could reduce that through privatisation of infrastructure post Brexit which would see revenues returned to the UK treasury over the long term.
Meanwhile, Poland gets its road and rail paid for by UK contributions into the Cohesion Fund.... you may notice, we have some of the worst railways and roads in Europe, and yet we are the second biggest net contributor, plus, we pay 1/5th of the Cohesion Fund but receive absolutely nothing back. Seems its OK for the UK to pay for everyone else rail and road instead of taking care of our own.
Where is our EU investment ?
Firstly, your statement that a high speed link causes towns and
industries to grow along its route because of the advantage of
having a high speed link to markets does not make sense to
me as for a high speed system to exist or function it requires
that the vehicle or train does not have to keep stopping or
starting etc as this neccasarily involves large losses of speed
and also involves much higher energy costs as a result!
Imo, all the positive talk we hear, is just that! And is only
used to motivate the powers that be to spend money!
I am more in favour of electrifying and general upgrading
the existing system! Which should not require the participation
of large, international consortiums, but could possibly be
handled by local private companies in collusion with BR
in house bengineers?
Regards Donkeyman!
29-07-2019, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Each case of JIT is necessarily different. The Toyota model is a classic and food distribution by Tesco, Aldi, Lidl, and others illustrate other example of savings that are made.Keep in mind that goods being marshalled is a time sensitive loss, goods in transit are a time sensitive loss, goods held in inventory are a time sensitive loss, finished goods are a time sensitive loss as are finished goods in transit to customer is a time sensitive loss (unless payment is made based on some form of fob) and time of inventory to point of sale is a time sensitive loss.
Reducing transit time is always a real winner and even more so if the goods are perishable or a limited life.
Then there is the enabling spin off that rapid efficient transit links provide. Lousy or slow transit links do not attract new enterprises to a place, in fact are a big time put-off when business investment is concerned. Fast transport links are the precise opposite.
Overall the High Speed links are an exceptionally great investment for this country.
in operation in the world Todgy? If so what country are they in?
Bear in mind UK is a very small island with lots of scattered
cities and towns which entails lots of stop/start and very short
distances between them, l believe you get my point?
Regards Donkeyman!
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