09-08-2019, 10:43 AM
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Patriotism!
There is a saying, 'patriotism is the last bastion of a scoundrel.' Never in a million years would I support my country if I thought it was in the wrong, as I do where the crazy Brexit business is concerned.That flag waving country across the pond seems to pride itself on its patriotic fervour, but is no better for it.
The sick in the head US white supremacists seem to forget that the native Americans are not white, it is the Caucasians who are the incomers.
I have no time for patriotism.
09-08-2019, 10:47 AM
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Re: Patriotism!
Patriotism for where you happened to be born, without any say in it, seems a bit unfair. I looked at many countries and chose one that I liked most of all, which was not where I was born. Patriotism is just an extension of tribalism, when safety was in numbers.09-08-2019, 10:56 AM
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Re: Patriotism!
Originally Posted by Ciderman
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Patriotism for where you happened to be born, without any say in it, seems a bit unfair. I looked at many countries and chose one that I liked most of all, which was not where I was born. Patriotism is just an extension of tribalism, when safety was in numbers.
to carry out the bstates wishes, just like religion and race
etc imo Ciderman!
09-08-2019, 12:11 PM
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Re: Patriotism!
Originally Posted by Longdogs
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Sacrificing your life for love of your country would probably be seen as the ultimate in patriotism. The First World War, for example is why we are all here today.
09-08-2019, 12:13 PM
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Re: Patriotism!
Originally Posted by tarantula
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WW1 was a totally unnecessary war, which never should have been fought, it caused WW2 which we had to fight.
09-08-2019, 12:18 PM
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Re: Patriotism!
It's not a case of my country wrong or right though is it. It's about my country first. It's about pride in a persons country, it's values, its history, and a want to be a benefit to their country up to the point where to do so would harm it's people or its future.BREXIT is an exception where the majority of this country decided that they want free of the undemocratic corrupt EU which is actually the unelected European Commission and that is absolutely toxic to the UK especially as an independent nation.
I can sorta understand that there are a substantial minority of British people perfectly happy to surrender their freedom to a foreign power but the majority are not. Patriotism is not surrendering ones nation and sovereignty.
To suggest that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel in such a case is pure unadulterated total horse apples. To willingly surrender ones national sovereignty and hard won freedoms of national identity and national security, that's the act of a scoundrel or much worse.
09-08-2019, 12:20 PM
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Re: Patriotism!
Originally Posted by the artful todger
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it's not a case of my country wrong or right though is it. It's about my country first. It's about pride in a persons country, it's values, its history, and a want to be a benefit to their country up to the point where to do so would harm it's people or its future.Brexit is an exception where the majority of this country decided that they want free of the undemocratic corrupt eu which is actually the unelected european commission and that is absolutely toxic to the uk especially as an independent nation.
I can sorta understand that there are a substantial minority of british people perfectly happy to surrender their freedom to a foreign power but the majority are not. Patriotism is not surrendering ones nation and sovereignty.
To suggest that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel in such a case is pure unadulterated total horse apples. To willingly surrender ones national sovereignty and hard won freedoms of national identity and national security, that's the act of a scoundrel or much worse.
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