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05-01-2020, 06:43 PM
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Still argue ing!! HS2!!

We are still debating the viability of HS2 after more than four
years of debating?
It seems that minorities in uk are determined to be in charge, just
take brexit as an example!
The projected cost is now well over 100 billion pounds!
Better to use some of this to realy upgrade our existing network,
particularly in easst to west liinks in the north and midlands, and
also resusitate the electicification project country wide!
Imo HS2 is a prestige project andwill have little effect on the plight
of the average rail passenger
The fact that many city and municipal leaders support HS2 only
brings their motives into question?
Regards Donkeyman!
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05-01-2020, 07:00 PM
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Re: Still argue ing!! HS2!!

Too many vested interests in this scheme to let it drop, too many people going to make too much money who care not a toss whether the scheme is value for the taxpayer. But call a national referendum on the subject and I'd bet there would be a resounding dump it vote for HS2 for one in favour of spending big money on upgrading existing lines and rolling stock...
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05-01-2020, 07:41 PM
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Re: Still argue ing!! HS2!!

Originally Posted by Barry ->
Too many vested interests in this scheme to let it drop, too many people going to make too much money who care not a toss whether the scheme is value for the taxpayer. But call a national referendum on the subject and I'd bet there would be a resounding dump it vote for HS2 for one in favour of spending big money on upgrading existing lines and rolling stock...
Exactly this - a scheme to benefit the few not the many to paraphrase Commie Corbyn.
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05-01-2020, 09:42 PM
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Re: Still argue ing!! HS2!!

It has been perfectly obvious from the start that the purpose of HS2 is not to help the North & Midalnds, but instead it's to make it easier to commute from them into London
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06-01-2020, 11:51 AM
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Re: Still argue ing!! HS2!!

Originally Posted by zuludog ->
It has been perfectly obvious from the start that the purpose of HS2 is not to help the North & Midalnds, but instead it's to make it easier to commute from them into London
Why would northerners want to commute to London??
There is no reason for HS2, because it is allready cheaper and
quicker to fly for the minority who want to commute?
And it HS2: were ever built it would not be able to stop at enough
northern and midland stations to be viable because that would
nullify the benefits of high speed rail, ergo, speed!
Therefore the project should be completely scrubbed from the
national agenda as the benificaries will only be the constructors
and contracors and anyone else with vested interests, not the
average rail passenger! Far better, as others have pointed out, to
spend the money where it will show!
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06-01-2020, 12:07 PM
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Re: Still argue ing!! HS2!!

There has already been three years of preparation going on round here, moving Gas Mains, Pylons etc etc, this and Land Procurement (already done) must be responsible for the Lions Share of the cost, so, regardless of further discussion, or cost increases, it's probably a bit late in the day now.
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06-01-2020, 12:33 PM
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Re: Still argue ing!! HS2!!

Originally Posted by spitfire ->
There has already been three years of preparation going on round here, moving Gas Mains, Pylons etc etc, this and Land Procurement (already done) must be responsible for the Lions Share of the cost, so, regardless of further discussion, or cost increases, it's probably a bit late in the day now.
I believe they have spent around 1 billion so far Spitty? as opposed
to 108 billion at last count, so nowhere near too late?
Plus this 108 is not cast in stone, and as we ALWAYS find, the
final cost is not confirmed untill after a delayed completion date
anr is ALWAYS inflated, as in cross rail!
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14-01-2020, 10:44 AM
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Until recently, I was really in favour of HS2. Not because of the 20 minutes savings that it would bring commuters, but because a new rail link creates railway stations, which means houses are built, which means, shops open, which leads to industry and industrial estates, which leads to jobs, which leads to investment etc etc.

However, after seeing the costs spiral up to £108 billion, I think we could deliver much more of these benefits by improving and expanding regional railways and joining up the north of England by having a new line between Manchester, Newcastle, Liverpool and Leeds.
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14-01-2020, 01:26 PM
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Re: Still argue ing!! HS2!!

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Until recently, I was really in favour of HS2. Not because of the 20 minutes savings that it would bring commuters, but because a new rail link creates railway stations, which means houses are built, which means, shops open, which leads to industry and industrial estates, which leads to jobs, which leads to investment etc etc.

However, after seeing the costs spiral up to £108 billion, I think we could deliver much more of these benefits by improving and expanding regional railways and joining up the north of England by having a new line between Manchester, Newcastle, Liverpool and Leeds.
Yes l've been preaching your revised views on this subject for quite
a while Bread, the sooner they cancel it the sooner the lobbyists
will stop bleating about it? Another project they need to drop is the
3rd runway at heathrow!
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14-01-2020, 01:58 PM
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IMHO an easy way to speed up the journey time between Brum and London is to NOT STOP at so many stations en route. Surely it's not beyond the wit of man to have maybe one direct train/hr or so from New Street to Euston and v.v.
 
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