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The majority of the people in Ukraine don't agree, one can draw an imaginary line and say that is the East and then do a survey and, surprise surprise, you have a majority who want to become part of Russia.

Power politics is a dirty game, I want no part of it. I do agree with the MI6 guy who said we should be increasing our miltary spend not decreasing it.
And apparently the West (NATO and the EU) reneged on a treaty promising not to interfere within the Russian 'sphere of influence'
So now Obama threatens to arm the Ukrainians. This whole thing is very nasty . As with Islam our intrepid leaders do not seem to understand the Russian mind
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01-03-2015, 09:28 PM
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Why must American politicians believe they must police the world, with us joining in. No good at all has come from meddling in the Middle East, and now it looks like Ukraine will be the next folly.
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Why must American politicians believe they must police the world, with us joining in. No good at all has come from meddling in the Middle East, and now it looks like Ukraine will be the next folly.
Attacking the wrong enemy, attacking those who are not enemies. making enemies of those who should be allies, all with very little understanding of what they do.
And not just the US, our lot are not that much better.

Putin's not really all that brilliant . The completion just makes him look good
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02-03-2015, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Losos ->
The majority of the people in Ukraine don't agree, one can draw an imaginary line and say that is the East and then do a survey and, surprise surprise, you have a majority who want to become part of Russia.

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That worked really well in Ireland didn't it?
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That worked really well in Ireland didn't it?
Not really. but I don't think that there a religious problem to add to the mix in the Ukraine
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Faults and a lack of diplomacy all round I would say.
The EU were rather naive in not realising that inviting the Ukraine to enter into closer relations with them would be seen by Russia as expansionism and a threat on their borders.


Originally Posted by Losos
The majority of the people in Ukraine don't agree, one can draw an imaginary line and say that is the East and then do a survey and, surprise surprise, you have a majority who want to become part of Russia.
I have met a small number of Ukrainians (there were a number at the boarding school in which I worked ) and if you mentioned the word Russian they would fein a spit.
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Does anyone remember playing `Risk` as a child??
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02-03-2015, 11:49 AM
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As I posted elsewhere, it has been made clear that the Foreign Office no longer has either the experience or expertise to deal with these issues. Apparently they don't even have the necessary linguistic skills any more! Perhaps this is where the idea of career politicians comes seriously unstuck!
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As I posted elsewhere, it has been made clear that the Foreign Office no longer has either the experience or expertise to deal with these issues. Apparently they don't even have the necessary linguistic skills any more! Perhaps this is where the idea of career politicians comes seriously unstuck!
Sounds about right. most of the Russians I know speak better English than I do.
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Originally Posted by Meg ->
Faults and a lack of diplomacy all round I would say.
The EU were rather naive in not realising that inviting the Ukraine to enter into closer relations with them would be seen by Russia as expansionism and a threat on their borders.


I have met a small number of Ukrainians (there were a number at the boarding school in which I worked ) and if you mentioned the word Russian they would fein a spit.
I think its the case that an awful lot of Ukrainians sided with Mr Hitler during WW 2. So the reason for that may go back a long way.
Must look that up.
 
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