22-12-2020, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lindyloo
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Let's face it - Boris only put up as a Brexit Candidate as he was in touch with the mood of the country and it was his opportunity to climb to the top1 The fact he based his strategy on lies, lost him my vote, and to this day I consider him a self-serving liar! We should never have considered leaving without buttering our bread as far as we could, and having put together a no-deal policy from the outset. If we'd shown confidence in leaving without a deal, we'd be far more likely to get one! BUT...........why are we leaving? Because the Euro MP's we had did absolutely sweet fanny-adams and appeared to loll around and live it up on Euro MP expenses and allowances!! If they'd got off their flipping arses and done a few decent day's work, we may well have made a success of being a game-player in Europe, instead of allowing the UK to become the put-down whipping boy!!
While Boris was getting on with the job Labour were still trying to betray the public and spending all their time getting their new leader elected along with their "process,". They had no clue there was a pandemic until 3 months later.
As usual no output from labour just cheap shots and lies.
23-12-2020, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Lindyloo
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Let's face it - Boris only put up as a Brexit Candidate as he was in touch with the mood of the country and it was his opportunity to climb to the top1 The fact he based his strategy on lies, lost him my vote, and to this day I consider him a self-serving liar! We should never have considered leaving without buttering our bread as far as we could, and having put together a no-deal policy from the outset. If we'd shown confidence in leaving without a deal, we'd be far more likely to get one! BUT...........why are we leaving? Because the Euro MP's we had did absolutely sweet fanny-adams and appeared to loll around and live it up on Euro MP expenses and allowances!! If they'd got off their flipping arses and done a few decent day's work, we may well have made a success of being a game-player in Europe, instead of allowing the UK to become the put-down whipping boy!!
It has next to nothing to do with your somewhat fanciful interpretation of events and far more to do with the nefarious actions of successive British governments and of the EU combined.
The UK should never have agreed to the deepening integration and increasing federalism which is what led to Brexit; free travel of EU citizens and reliance upon the EU for so much (but thankfully not the €uro) are in large part responsible for negativity not just in the UK towards the EU.
If the EU had not been so greedy and manipulative instead concentrating on trade rather than unnecessary regulations and self-aggrandisement over the course of decades, there would be no cause to want to leave.
As it was the UK by necessity became involved in EU politics which led to our having an ever-decreasing voice inside a supposed "union" which - as is more obvious now than ever before - was in reality led by a few countries who still seem determined to promote their own wellbeing to the detriment of others in their unequal union.
Already other member countries (and non-member like Norway and Switzerland) seem to be realising this and are objecting, in various ways. If these few EU-ruling countries do not change soon and prove that their idea has merits and advantages not just costs, real reform is inevitable.
We in the UK could well hasten this if - as many suspect - the UK does well once free of the EU.
Given the EU's recent history of poor performance that should not be difficult to achieve.
23-12-2020, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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It's a deliberate stunt by Macron and nothing to do with coronavirus.I agree we should use much more reliable ports than Dover- Calais or even better grow our own stuff and buy from outside the EU.
More than 50 Countries have banned travel from the UK, it is not a stunt by Macron.
If the new variant had started in France we would have banned travel from France ourselves.
Everybody is in trouble with Covid, a new variation which is 70% more infectious is a real issue.
We cannot grow much of what we import, rice for example,
The Container Ports are overwhelmed at the moment.
We would need to deepen the berths due to the much larger size of ships and then we have the loading, unloading issue.
There is a two year wait for the specialist container cranes.
23-12-2020, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiMore than 50 Countries have banned travel from the UK, it is not a stunt by Macron.
If the new variant had started in France we would have banned travel from France ourselves.
Everybody is in trouble with Covid, a new variation which is 70% more infectious is a real issue.
We cannot grow much of what we import, rice for example,
The Container Ports are overwhelmed at the moment.
We would need to deepen the berths due to the much larger size of ships and then we have the loading, unloading issue.
There is a two year wait for the specialist container cranes.
Where are the travel bans against these other countries (from the WHO: Australia, Denmark, Italy, Iceland and the Netherlands) which we know have the same mutation and why hasn't Macron banned their trucks etc?
It is very likely that France's actions in closing ports in such a manner will lead to a long-term reduction in using these ports and increasing the UK's use of alternatives - and not just those within the EU.
It could end up costing them dearly and could even hasten the UK sourcing more goods from other countries post-Brexit. No company anywhere will rely upon the unreliable for their business needs.
Coronavirus has led to difficulties with the transportation of goods globally.
Macron's actions are not related to that and in fact look like contributing to these global difficulties.
Here's the WHO's advice including not to ban flights and travel:
https://www.who.int/csr/don/21-decem...ed-kingdom/en/
23-12-2020, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Zaphod
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Do give over; it is an obvious knee-jerk reaction and nothing more.Where are the travel bans against these other countries (from the WHO: Australia, Denmark, Italy, Iceland and the Netherlands) which we know have the same mutation and why hasn't Macron banned their trucks etc?
It is very likely that France's actions in closing ports in such a manner will lead to a long-term reduction in using these ports and increasing the UK's use of alternatives - and not just those within the EU.
It could end up costing them dearly and could even hasten the UK sourcing more goods from other countries post-Brexit. No company anywhere will rely upon the unreliable for their business needs.
Coronavirus has led to difficulties with the transportation of goods globally.
Macron's actions are not related to that and in fact look like contributing to these global difficulties.
Here's the WHO's advice including not to ban flights and travel:
https://www.who.int/csr/don/21-decem...ed-kingdom/en/
Thanks for the link.
Other Coutries have taken a risk based approached as recommended by the WHO and over 50 of them have banned travel from the UK.
If the mutatation had originated from France we would have siopped travel from France.
23-12-2020, 11:49 AM
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Sorry to disagree Swims. Macron was using this ban as a weapon to kick the UK in the teeth. The ban could have been ended 24 hours earlier when the UK agreed to testing haulage drivers with the 20 minute test, but no, Macron was still insisting on a test that took 24-48 hours for results. I believe it was only strong arm tactics by VDL & Co, plus the French Haulage Union Boss that he knew he couldn't continue with his sick plot.23-12-2020, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThanks for the link.
Other Coutries have taken a risk based approached as recommended by the WHO and over 50 of them have banned travel from the UK.
If the mutatation had originated from France we would have siopped travel from France.
Not freight, as we have allowed ourselves to become too dependant
on one supplier (EU) !!
And it is doubtful if we could apply a travel ban on France as they
would delight in cutting off our supplies in retaliation !!!
Donkeyman! 👎👎
23-12-2020, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Sorry to disagree Swims. Macron was using this ban as a weapon to kick the UK in the teeth. The ban could have been ended 24 hours earlier when the UK agreed to testing haulage drivers with the 20 minute test, but no, Macron was still insisting on a test that took 24-48 hours for results. I believe it was only strong arm tactics by VDL & Co, plus the French Haulage Union Boss that he knew he couldn't continue with his sick plot.
Macaroni is shyte scared of the unions !
Donkeyman! 👍👍
23-12-2020, 12:06 PM
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These are early days. Macron has shown his hand and I have no doubt that contingency plans will be put in place for Dec 31.Now, let Macron ask the UK for something and he will know what short shrift feels like.
As has been said earlier, the way to go is to grow our own and become self sufficient, instead of the EU paying our farmers not to farm. Remember the butter and milk mountains when we joined the EEC? That's how efficient our farmers can be - and will be again.
The sooner we start trading with the Commonwealth directly the better, in my view, instead of relying on a group of countries who mean us harm.
And let's not beat about the bush here - what couldn't be gained by force has been tried to be gained by guile, and it hasn't worked, so expect more of the petty tricks of Macron and his European cronies in the future.
23-12-2020, 12:13 PM
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HiI have to disagree.
If a variant which was 70% more transmisable was deteced abroad I would have shut our Borders.
That is the only sensible thing to do.
I despise the French, I have posted previously that I was banned from negotiating with them because of my aggressive attitude.
I did not consider my attitude to them aggressive.
It was my job to get the best for the UK and sod the French.
Far too much criticism of Civil Servants when the instructions came from our own Politicians.
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