26-04-2021, 12:30 PM
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Re: Destroying what attracts the tourists in the first place!
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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And it's only a quick fix, what happens when all the Elephants are gone....
26-04-2021, 12:58 PM
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Re: Destroying what attracts the tourists in the first place!
Originally Posted by Baz46
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I wonder why they cannot charge the same but use cameras to 'shoot' the elephants rather than using weapons? That I feel would bring in an income to combat 'poaching', for which they say money is needed. There must be many people who would pay to photograph elephants in their natural environment. An elephant can be photographed many times but only killed the once. Best of all killing elephants for 'trophies' would very much cease, so preserving them and their natural lives for everyone. 
Individuals and families (a thousand times more numerous) who would want to go on photo safaris are the types who will linger, see a few other sights, spend money, and likely come back as others are drawn and the country becomes a tourist destination. This would lead to hotel and restaurant development, more jobs, and an entire self-sustaining industry that so many other places enjoy.
Even if one isn't evolved enough to exercise compassion or respect for the lives of elephants, those behind this canned hunt idea can stop mouth-breathing long enough to see the economics make some kind of sense.
I sure as heck won't go a thousand miles of that place with my tourist dollar.
26-04-2021, 01:08 PM
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Re: Destroying what attracts the tourists in the first place!
Originally Posted by Baz46
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I wonder why they cannot charge the same but use cameras to 'shoot' the elephants rather than using weapons? That I feel would bring in an income to combat 'poaching', for which they say money is needed. There must be many people who would pay to photograph elephants in their natural environment. An elephant can be photographed many times but only killed the once. Best of all killing elephants for 'trophies' would very much cease, so preserving them and their natural lives for everyone.
large area to range over if they are not to destroy their own
habitat, this leads to the national parks having to restrict their
numbers by culling them in order to preserve the parks themselves ?
At the same time the parks are being threatened by political pressures
to allow people to carry out farming and even allow more people
to erect habitations on prescribed park land !!
As OGF says, it would be more appropiate to cull the people?
How would OGF feel if we applied that policy to the UK though??
This battle is taking place all over this planet unfortunately !!
Donkeyman! 👎👎👎
26-04-2021, 01:21 PM
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Re: Destroying what attracts the tourists in the first place!
Originally Posted by Surfermom
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I wonder why, too. The brain-stem thinkers who want nothing more than to part with a chunk of money to have themselvs immaturely (and pathetically) photographed with the trophy of a canned hunt, like a four-year-old catching his first fish, are the one and done types. They won't be back.Individuals and families (a thousand times more numerous) who would want to go on photo safaris are the types who will linger, see a few other sights, spend money, and likely come back as others are drawn and the country becomes a tourist destination. This would lead to hotel and restaurant development, more jobs, and an entire self-sustaining industry that so many other places enjoy.
Even if one isn't evolved enough to exercise compassion or respect for the lives of elephants, those behind this canned hunt idea can stop mouth-breathing long enough to see the economics make some kind of sense.
I sure as heck won't go a thousand miles of that place with my tourist dollar.
end up destroying the very thing you are selling too Surfamum ??
You will turn the jungle into Disneyland !!
Donkeyman! 👎👎👎
26-04-2021, 01:31 PM
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Re: Destroying what attracts the tourists in the first place!
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Don't you think that development along the lines you propose willend up destroying the very thing you are selling too Surfamum ??
You will turn the jungle into Disneyland !!
Donkeyman! 👎👎👎
26-04-2021, 01:36 PM
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Re: Destroying what attracts the tourists in the first place!
Are you joking ?This will only fuel the trade in Ivory .
I wonder if it were possible to paint the tusks with something that would spoil the colour ?
It is the Chinese desire for ivory ornaments that is at the root of this killing .
26-04-2021, 03:12 PM
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Re: Destroying what attracts the tourists in the first place!
I simple adore efferlumps and was super pleased when circuses stopped using them (and other animals).As for the trade in ivory, this is banned under the CITES treaty, which bans the sale of products made after 1947. I am one of many who support the movement to have a total ban on the sale, or exchange, or gifting of any ivory-based product of ANY age.
26-04-2021, 04:00 PM
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Re: Destroying what attracts the tourists in the first place!
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Unfortunately Baz, elephants breed very well and also need a verylarge area to range over if they are not to destroy their own
habitat, this leads to the national parks having to restrict their
numbers by culling them in order to preserve the parks themselves ?
At the same time the parks are being threatened by political pressures
to allow people to carry out farming and even allow more people
to erect habitations on prescribed park land !!
As OGF says, it would be more appropiate to cull the people?
How would OGF feel if we applied that policy to the UK though??
This battle is taking place all over this planet unfortunately !!
Donkeyman! 👎👎👎
Any civilised place would not use that as an excuse DM, they would sterilize them instead.
They are making a lot of money out of letting vile hunter/tourists shoot them and rob them of their ivory - a much better idea for those that don't give a damn about them.
26-04-2021, 04:50 PM
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Re: Destroying what attracts the tourists in the first place!
Originally Posted by Mups
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Any civilised place would not use that as an excuse DM, they would sterilize them instead.They are making a lot of money out of letting vile hunter/tourists shoot them and rob them of their ivory - a much better idea for those that don't give a damn about them.
Are you talking about the elephants OR the people when you speak of
sterilisation ??
On the elephant front they have been experimenting with sterilising
by darting chosen animals with a contraceptive drug similar to
the pill female humans use, but l have not seen any results from
this, but l believe it is very expensive to administer on a large scale ??
On the banning of ivory sales,( old or new,) it seems that most sales
in China have only been driven underground and have had little
effect on demand at all, if anything the price has gone up !!
On the culling question l see no reason why the culling cannot be
carried out on a humane basis as long as only old animals are
culled as they will eventually starve to death due to their teeth
being worn out,( similar to horses!)
Surely a quick death due to culling is preferable to starving and
probably being pulled down by lions ??
The animals we should be concentrating on are NOT the elephants
but the Rhino's which have difficulty in breeding and cannot
replace large numbers being slaughtered either by poaching or
by culling ??
Donkeyman! 👎👎👎
BTW, The national parks in most African countries don't let members
of the public take weapons into the parks !!
The canned hunting you refer to is carried out on high priced super
luxury PRIVATE game farms which are nowhere large enough to
be called a game park ??
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