22-05-2021, 11:56 AM
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Re: Great british rail ??
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Well it didn't save the railways or the nhs probably 2 of the most important services...
22-05-2021, 12:54 PM
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The railways were privatised for 2 reasons1 because they were so bad the tax payer would never support it.
2. EU directive 91/440 under John Major.
The state is useless at running anything- the NHS has been exposed from the covid pandemic it has serious
restrictions in operational capabilities and hygiene issues and infrastructure is always sacrificed to pay for it.
The government should invest massively into out rail and infrastructure then sell it off. The same with the NHS.
22-05-2021, 04:12 PM
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Re: Great british rail ??
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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It was because the money allocated for investment into rail and rolling stock went straight into employees pay packets. Like so much in the UK the trade unions were the poison.
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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The Thatcher government SAVED the UK from destruction.
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Well it didn't save the railways or the nhs probably 2 of the most important services...
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Innovation was FUBAR but that was not saved by tories...
22-05-2021, 10:21 PM
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Re: Great british rail ??
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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Went inter-railing in Summer 1983 (£160 for a fortnight??). Agree about the trains. Even forked out for the occasional couchette.Mystery why the UK had such terrible rolling stock in comparison.
The housing stock is pretty depressing too !
And the streets and roads are pretty sh- tty as well ??
Looks like the whole place is worn out ??
Donkeyman! 👎🤔🤔👎
22-05-2021, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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100% agreed. If it hadn't have been for Maggie taking on the unions when she did, the UK would have become a total basket case just like Venezuela is today.How can you say the Tories didn't save the NHS? Who do you think has put more money into it? Certainly not the Labour Party. In any case, imho, no-one can save the NHS because it is a money pit, the more money that's thrown at it, the more it thinks it needs. And, before you start on the "privatisation" of the NHS, it was Teflon Tone and his cronies that sold off great wedges of the NHS to private companies, not the Tories.
Are you saying that innovation is controlled by the Government of the day? If you are then, imho, you are wrong. Innovation, in any industry, comes about because there is a need to change or improve a product or system.
The only thing l can agree with there Percy, is that the union's were
the prime cause of Britain's decline ??
Whilst Thatcher had to deal with the union's she had no need to
allow the business owners to sell off the businesses to foreign
entities to do it That is why our economy now is totally
unbalanced and why we have so few exports to export ??
As inefficient as our manufacturing was then, it still contributed
approx 50% to the economy, with financials making up the rest?
We depend almost entirely on financials at the moment which makes us very vulnerable to marker fluctuations and allows the banks
to call the shots as we have seen recently !!
Imo she should have assisted the then business owners to
modernise their businesses after she had legislated the union's
out of existence !!
However, it is history now and it can't be rectified unless we can
recreate a manufacturing economy of some sort, but there is a
lot of talk of northern power-house but little action that l can see ?
On the railways etc the privatisation so far has served to
raise fares only and complicated the ticket system needlessly ,
Whilst any profit goes straight into shareholders pockets ??
Donkeyman! 👎🤔🤔👎
23-05-2021, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Actually it did. It provided a means to refinance the railways through privatisation and it saved the NHS by rebuilding the broken economy, broken by Socialism aided by unions. Years later another Labour POS broke the whole country, Blair. We are all suffering from his awful legacy.
23-05-2021, 12:11 AM
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Re: Great british rail ??
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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The only thing l can agree with there Percy, is that the union's werethe prime cause of Britain's decline ??
Whilst Thatcher had to deal with the union's she had no need to
allow the business owners to sell off the businesses to foreign
entities to do it That is why our economy now is totally
unbalanced and why we have so few exports to export ??
As inefficient as our manufacturing was then, it still contributed
approx 50% to the economy, with financials making up the rest?
We depend almost entirely on financials at the moment which makes us very vulnerable to marker fluctuations and allows the banks
to call the shots as we have seen recently !!
Imo she should have assisted the then business owners to
modernise their businesses after she had legislated the union's
out of existence !!
However, it is history now and it can't be rectified unless we can
recreate a manufacturing economy of some sort, but there is a
lot of talk of northern power-house but little action that l can see ?
On the railways etc the privatisation so far has served to
raise fares only and complicated the ticket system needlessly ,
Whilst any profit goes straight into shareholders pockets ??
Donkeyman! 👎🤔🤔👎
23-05-2021, 12:16 AM
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Re: Great british rail ??
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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How can you say the Tories didn't save the NHS? Who do you think has put more money into it? Certainly not the Labour Party. In any case, imho, no-one can save the NHS because it is a money pit, the more money that's thrown at it, the more it thinks it needs. And, before you start on the "privatisation" of the NHS, it was Teflon Tone and his cronies that sold off great wedges of the NHS to private companies, not the Tories.
The NHS has always been underpinned by the private sector.
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