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17-11-2019, 10:46 AM
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Immigrant Dependency

A serious mental health condition suffered by middle class liberals, Establishment Elites and multinational businesses.

It used to be the Working Class that did all the hard/dirty/menial work the middle classes didn't want to do.

Now , as we pull ourselves up and improve our lot the middle classes have become dependant on exploiting Immigrants.

Is it time the middle classes and Elites got their hands dirty??
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17-11-2019, 02:13 PM
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Not sure if I’m on the same track as you Moscow, but my understanding is that there has always been different social classes here in the UK.

The Elites - those that have been educated at independent fee-paying schools, followed by Oxford or Cambridge, and taking up the top jobs of Military Officers, Top Doctors, Cabinet positions, Leading Journalists, Lawyers, Judges, Solicitors, most of the aristocracy and many of our British Actors. Most of the House of Lords represent the hereditary upper-classes, and right at the top of the list at number one - is the Royal family.

The Technical Middle Class - Airline pilots, Medical Radiographers, pharmacists, natural and social science professionals and physical scientists, business, research and administrative positions.etc.

The Established Middle Class - Electrical Engineers, Occupational therapists, Social Workers, Midwives, environmental professionals, quality assurance, regulatory professionals, town planning officials and special needs teaching professionals etc.

The New Affluent Workers - Electricians, Electrical Fitters, Postal workers, Retail cashiers and checkout operatives, plumbers, heating and ventilation engineers, sales and retail assistants, housing officers, kitchen/catering assistants, quality assurance technicians etc.

The Traditional Working Class - electrical and electronic technicians, care workers, cleaners, gardeners, van drivers, electricians, residential, day and domiciliary care, dinner ladies, etc.

The Under Class - Illegal immigrants who disappear into the black economy.
Sex and Work slaves through traffickers.
Many lone parents existing on benefits.
Immigrants who come here for the free benefits, housing, medical and education.
Those who have to visit Foodbanks..

And don’t worry too much about the elites and upper middle class getting their hands dirty.
If the horror scenario comes about and Compo gets in with his Marxist ways, it won’t be too long a year before the whole caboodle of the above will be getting their hands dirty in the new cooperatives they will no doubt end up working in, with all proceeds going to the state.
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17-11-2019, 02:34 PM
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I don't see that immigrants are any worse off than anyone else tbh. Lots of non-immigrants on zero hours and earning the minimum/living wage which borders on slavery whatever your background or colour happens to be.

If anything, I would say the future is looking bright for immigrants here.
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17-11-2019, 02:45 PM
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You're correct of course,LD. There are many class of people missing from the lists above.

Those who have chosen to make a new life here for themselves, will certainly be better off than the lives they led in the countries they left. They will always come off as winners.
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17-11-2019, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
You're correct of course,LD. There are many class of people missing from the lists above.

Those who have chosen to make a new life here for themselves, will certainly be better off than the lives they led in the countries they left. They will always come off as winners.
Yes that's true Shrops. They go to the top of the housing list, get instant medical treatment and handouts having never paid in. If only we could all do that.
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17-11-2019, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Longdogs ->
I don't see that immigrants are any worse off than anyone else tbh. Lots of non-immigrants on zero hours and earning the minimum/living wage which borders on slavery whatever your background or colour happens to be.

If anything, I would say the future is looking bright for immigrants here.
The point is that immigrants come to work, and have to work if illegal, whereas once legal they can enjoy the benefits of your social system.
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19-11-2019, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
The Under Class - Illegal immigrants who disappear into the black economy.
Sex and Work slaves through traffickers.
Many lone parents existing on benefits.
Immigrants who come here for the free benefits, housing, medical and education.
Those who have to visit Foodbanks..
Within one generation most immigrants are in the other categories listed. But many non immigrants are in the last category of an underclass.

There is a theory to explain this called "the immigrant mentality". Here's a Canadian article explaining it.

"Most immigrants are independent, action-oriented, have a never-say-die attitude, and are opportunity obsessed. They are used to a modest lifestyle — that makes the tough times of a start-up more palatable. Their opportunity cost is low. They left the “old country,” either deliberately or in a hurry, for a better life."

"They are prepared to go and do what the locals won’t. No risk, no reward. Don’t rely on others."

https://vancouversun.com/news/nation...city-to-canada
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22-11-2019, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
Not sure if I’m on the same track as you Moscow, but my understanding is that there has always been different social classes here in the UK.

The Elites - those that have been educated at independent fee-paying schools, followed by Oxford or Cambridge, and taking up the top jobs of Military Officers, Top Doctors, Cabinet positions, Leading Journalists, Lawyers, Judges, Solicitors, most of the aristocracy and many of our British Actors. Most of the House of Lords represent the hereditary upper-classes, and right at the top of the list at number one - is the Royal family.

The Technical Middle Class - Airline pilots, Medical Radiographers, pharmacists, natural and social science professionals and physical scientists, business, research and administrative positions.etc.

The Established Middle Class - Electrical Engineers, Occupational therapists, Social Workers, Midwives, environmental professionals, quality assurance, regulatory professionals, town planning officials and special needs teaching professionals etc.

The New Affluent Workers - Electricians, Electrical Fitters, Postal workers, Retail cashiers and checkout operatives, plumbers, heating and ventilation engineers, sales and retail assistants, housing officers, kitchen/catering assistants, quality assurance technicians etc.

The Traditional Working Class - electrical and electronic technicians, care workers, cleaners, gardeners, van drivers, electricians, residential, day and domiciliary care, dinner ladies, etc.

The Under Class - Illegal immigrants who disappear into the black economy.
Sex and Work slaves through traffickers.
Many lone parents existing on benefits.
Immigrants who come here for the free benefits, housing, medical and education.
Those who have to visit Foodbanks..

And don’t worry too much about the elites and upper middle class getting their hands dirty.
If the horror scenario comes about and Compo gets in with his Marxist ways, it won’t be too long a year before the whole caboodle of the above will be getting their hands dirty in the new cooperatives they will no doubt end up working in, with all proceeds going to the state.

Yes , I think you've missed the point.

This country has become Immigrant Dependant.....
For the menial work, yes but not just that..........Why on Earth are we importing Doctors, for example?

We know how to train doctors. Why are 90% of UK Doctors from middle/upper class backgrounds?
Where are the Working Class doctors?
Why are 90% of Scientists from upper and middle class backgrounds?
Why aren't we instilling belief and giving real opportunities to kids from poorer homes.

It's a failure of epic proportions.
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22-11-2019, 08:22 AM
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Hi

Strangely enough I am in complete agreement with you.

We should be training our own into well paid permanent jobs.

You make some very valid points.

I bet you are surprised by that.
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Because folks took the principle of mechanization to seriously, and, they don't think earning £100,000.00 plus PA is sufficient to take on board hassle.
 
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