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20-04-2019, 04:07 PM
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Re: Flexible extension???

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We are talking about the EU Council ... stop serving and answer my question.
No bread, wrong again.

The Commission proposes laws and policies on its own initiative. It can also respond to invitations to do so from:
- European Council (heads of state or government of each EU country)
- Council of the European Union (government ministers from each EU country)
- European Parliament (directly elected by EU citizens)
- Citizens themselves, following a successful*European Citizens’ Initiative

The Commission prepares laws and policies transparently, based on evidence and backed up by the views of citizens and stakeholders. This is referred to as better regulation.
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20-04-2019, 06:42 PM
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EU parliament dont make the laws they are at best a glorified house of lords.

We are talking about the EU Council ... stop serving and answer my question.
The EU Parliament are the only ones who can pass laws. It is no different to our own Parliament

The EU Council horned of the heads of state or leaders of governments of the EU countries defines EU policies but had no legislative power, that resides with the EU Parliament

Quite how you came to believe the EU Parliament are a glorified House of Lords is beyond me. I can only surmise you were taken in by those dubious alt right websites you are fond
of linking to or listening to Nigel Farage who’s attendance record at the EU Parliament was so infrequent that he failed to notice he was part of a democratic parliament who have the sole ability to legislate law
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20-04-2019, 06:51 PM
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They contradict themselves, don't they?

One says that the Commission makes the laws.

The other says that the European Parliament passes laws.

I can only assume that the Commission makes the laws and then tells the Parliament to pass them!
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20-04-2019, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR ->
They contradict themselves, don't they?

One says that the Commission makes the laws.

The other says that the European Parliament passes laws.

I can only assume that the Commission makes the laws and then tells the Parliament to pass them!
Obviously you don't even know how your own country's legislative process works, otherwise you would have observed the similarities. But that ignorance doesn't keep you from making snide remarks.
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20-04-2019, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR ->
They contradict themselves, don't they?

One says that the Commission makes the laws.

The other says that the European Parliament passes laws.

I can only assume that the Commission makes the laws and then tells the Parliament to pass them!

Yep.. here goes I'm in a hurry so excuse the spelling etc.

The commission are an appointed (not elected) body of representatives- 28 including the president Jean Claude Juncker (the only guy on the ballot)

The commission propose the laws. These are then passed to the Parliament (751MEPs) who can request amendments and pass the bill back to the unelected commission

Parliament by the way is run by Martin Schulz (another the only guy on the ballot)

Anyway ...

The commission can ignore the parliament if it wants and pass the bill to the Council - 28 prime ministers basically and they vote the bill through by QMV. So if you dont want it but everyone else is in favour of it and your not ... tough and you lose. How nice....

There are vetoes but these are only on a few specific matters and these are becoming fewer as time goes on anyway.


So... the unelected commission is where it's at people. The EU parliament like I said before is nothing more than a glorified house of lords where they all vote on their buttons like a huge game of Hungry Hippos to give the illusion that the EU is democratic. And as we can see ^^^ it isnt.

The EU parliament are just 761 people along for the ride thr real power is in the commission and the passing of ybe bill by QMV with virtually no chance of a veto.
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20-04-2019, 09:17 PM
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The commission can ignore the parliament if it wants and pass the bill to the Council - 28 prime ministers basically and they vote the bill through by QMV. So if you dont want it but everyone else is in favour of it and your not ... tough and you lose. How nice....

The EU parliament are just 761 people along for the ride thr real power is in the commission and the passing of ybe bill by QMV with virtually no chance of a veto.
No bread, again a lie.

Before the Commission proposes new initiatives it assesses the potential*economic,*social*and*environmental*conse quences that they may have. It does this by preparing*'Impact assessments'which set out the advantages and disadvantages of possible policy options.

The Commission also consults interested parties such as non-governmental organisations, local authorities and representatives of industry and civil society. Groups of experts give advice on technical issues. In this way, the Commission ensures that legislative proposals correspond to the needs of those most concerned and avoids unnecessary red tape.

Citizens, businesses and organisations can participate in the consultation procedure via the website*Public consultations.

National parliaments can formally express their reservations if they feel that it would be better to deal with an issue at national rather than EU level.

The European Parliament and the Council review proposals by the Commission and propose amendments. If the Council and the Parliament cannot agree upon amendments, a second reading takes place.

In the second reading, the Parliament and Council can again propose amendments. Parliament has the power to block the proposed legislation if it cannot agree with the Council.

If the two institutions agree on amendments, the proposed legislation can be adopted. If they cannot agree, a*conciliation committee*tries to find a solution. Both the Council and the Parliament can block the legislative proposal at this final reading.
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20-04-2019, 09:29 PM
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No bread, again a lie.

Before the Commission proposes new initiatives it assesses the potential*economic,*social*and*environmental*conse quences that they may have. It does this by preparing*'Impact assessments'which set out the advantages and disadvantages of possible policy options.

The Commission also consults interested parties such as non-governmental organisations, local authorities and representatives of industry and civil society. Groups of experts give advice on technical issues. In this way, the Commission ensures that legislative proposals correspond to the needs of those most concerned and avoids unnecessary red tape.

Citizens, businesses and organisations can participate in the consultation procedure via the website*Public consultations.

National parliaments can formally express their reservations if they feel that it would be better to deal with an issue at national rather than EU level.

The European Parliament and the Council review proposals by the Commission and propose amendments. If the Council and the Parliament cannot agree upon amendments, a second reading takes place.

In the second reading, the Parliament and Council can again propose amendments. Parliament has the power to block the proposed legislation if it cannot agree with the Council.

If the two institutions agree on amendments, the proposed legislation can be adopted. If they cannot agree, a*conciliation committee*tries to find a solution. Both the Council and the Parliament can block the legislative proposal at this final reading.


Erm ... no

The unelected EU commission swear an oath to do what's best for the EU as a whole not for their own member state.

It's a sewer of corruption masquerading as democracy.

Parliament is a sideshow it has no power whatsoever
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20-04-2019, 09:33 PM
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Re: Flexible extension???

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Erm ... no

The unelected EU commission swear an oath to do what's best for the EU as a whole not for their own member state.

It's a sewer of corruption masquerading as democracy.

Parliament is a sideshow it has no power whatsoever
Doesn't your parliament work for the interest of the UK as a whole? Or do the ONLY represent their constituency?

The European Commission is held democratically accountable by the European Parliament, which has the right to approve and dismiss the entire political leadership of the Commission.

The European Commission is also accountable for putting the EU budget into practice. Every year, the Parliament chooses to give (or not) its blessing to the European Commission on the way it has managed the EU budget. This process is called the discharge. The Parliament bases its decision on several reports from the European Court of Auditors and from the European Commission, including the*annual management and performance report for the EU budget.

All Commissioners are equal in the decision-making process, and held equally accountable for these decisions. The Commission collectively decides on its work through written or oral procedure.

For more information on*Commission decision-making, see*how decisions are made.

Read more about*the EU law-making process.
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20-04-2019, 09:43 PM
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Re: Flexible extension???

Originally Posted by JBR ->
They contradict themselves, don't they?

One says that the Commission makes the laws.

The other says that the European Parliament passes laws.

I can only assume that the Commission makes the laws and then tells the Parliament to pass them!
Solasch actually said that the Commission Proposes laws not makes them as you claim.

So it seems that your assumptions are wrong but then again, that’s not unusual
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20-04-2019, 10:43 PM
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Re: Flexible extension???

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
Solasch actually said that the Commission Proposes laws not makes them as you claim.

Do it seems that your assumptions are wrong but then again, that’s not unusual
What has all this crap got to do with a flexible extnsion?

Regards Donkeyman!
 
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