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Before I comment, would you elaborate as to whom you mean by "savages"? Thanks.
Let's just say ANTIFA et al.
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....and yet again, no one ever mentions the good things Trump did for America.
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....and yet again, no one ever mentions the good things Trump did for America.
Of course not! It was fighting Socialism and BLM and all the scum hiding behind it.
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Of course not! It was fighting Socialism and BLM and all the scum hiding behind it.
I fear for America now with that old dodderer in charge. Does he even know what day of the week it is?
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....and yet again, no one ever mentions the good things Trump did for America.
Here! Here! Arty, I really believe he was doing the best for America and the American people. He was a threat to some very rich and powerful people and he had to go. He was painful to watch, but there was nothing wrong with his ideals and he got things done. People like Trump have loyal followers but also have many enemies, it comes with being a strong leader. When all this settles down you will never hear about a thing that Biden has done. A bit like John Major here. Just caretakers waiting for a proper leader to take over.
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Let's just say ANTIFA et al.
Ok, thanks.

Frankly, I think that Trump and the Department of Justice didn't go far enough in pursuing those who participated in, funded, or supported any violence and damage in the riots or individual activities this summer. If anything comes of from this impeachment, I hope that it resurrects demands to go back and look at those crimes that stemmed from violent radicals. Failing to enforce accountability is partially to blame for what happened on January 6th. The statute of limitation for pursuing those crimes are far from over.

We have a responsibility to one another to have zero-tolerance for illegal extremist behavior. The expression of an idea is one thing, but to violate the rights of citizens and the institutions enumerated in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights has to be cut down.

Trump, not by a long shot, is a lone torch of civil freedoms and rights of people in this country.
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Bread, her are some of the quotes that the House claimed instigated the riot: https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...6e108e653ed08d

You will have to go back to the transcript and some those of the others.

It is really important do understand abroad that an impeachment is like a grand jury. It is a statement that there is enough evidence for a trial.

Minx, it could take a while, but that is how due process works here. The President, like any accused, has a right to face his accusers and defend himself - which means he has to be given time to build his case. Even if the Senate decided not to try, the President has a right to demand a trial, if he chooses to do so.

If the resolution is sent today, the procedures leading to the trial could begin as soon as th 21st.

By the way, the President finally spoke last night. It was a calm, cogent speech demanding denouncing the violent insurgents as not his followers, and demanding a peace during the inauguration.
Due process must be followed. I saw that he asked for calm.
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Here! Here! Arty, I really believe he was doing the best for America and the American people. He was a threat to some very rich and powerful people and he had to go. He was painful to watch, but there was nothing wrong with his ideals and he got things done. People like Trump have loyal followers but also have many enemies, it comes with being a strong leader. When all this settles down you will never hear about a thing that Biden has done. A bit like John Major here. Just caretakers waiting for a proper leader to take over.
Foxy, l am only on the outside looking in but for all Trump’s faults no one can take away his strength and the good he did for his country.

When that Biden comes on the television, l switch off. That awful monotone voice and he has absolutely no charisma!
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Bread, the transcript and video of the speech is all over the internet. You are welcome to do the search as you will be most satisfied with your own findings.

Perhaps you are confusing the impeachment with the Senate trial. The impeachment, like a grand jury, does not include include submissions by the potentially accused. It is only a determination of whether or not there is enough evidence to accuse someone with a crime and to proceed with a trial. The Constitution does not explicitly require a formal hearing prior to impeachment in the House. All hearings and the trial itself do not take place until a resolution of impeachment is sent to the Senate.
The impeachment was to establish prima facie ( at first glance/ on the face of it) Senate trail to follow?
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....and yet again, no one ever mentions the good things Trump did for America.
Agreed. That should be another thread.

However, I have always argued (and yes, I have had to argue) that it is dangerous thing to separate the man from the position. I wanted Clinton removed from office for the same reason.

It now falls on the Republican Party to rally behind a candidate who is both presidential and supports the party platform. There is a long history of doing just that.

The party cannot have a win at any cost, and we have failed ourselves by tolerating too much of Trump's outrageous behavior for too long. The costs for the party and more importantly, for the good American people, will be far-reaching for a long time.

Complacency is a dangerous thing and so is a win at any cost.
 
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