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23-02-2019, 08:56 AM
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Re: Could There Really be Civil Unrest if Brexit is not Delivered?

Hi

There is only one sure thing about Civil Unrest and that is the innocent suffer.

I want no part of that at all.
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23-02-2019, 09:05 AM
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Re: Could There Really be Civil Unrest if Brexit is not Delivered?

Regardless of it being a success, remainers will try to convince us it's a disaster and refuse to admit project fear was wrong. On the other hand, there will be a lot of remainers that will lie and say they voted leave when it's clear that remainers were wrong.

If Brexit is not delivered the protests will be about democracy rather than Brexit (as I see it).
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23-02-2019, 10:27 AM
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Re: Could There Really be Civil Unrest if Brexit is not Delivered?

Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
Just proves that people voted to leave for the wrong reasons. All the problems are here and they will still be here whatever happens. Anyone who thinks that leaving the EU will fix the ills of our society should think again.
People voted Leave because they felt things need to change so their lives improve .........That is not the wrong reason to vote, it's absolutely the right reason.

Was the referendum the correct vehicle for that ambition???

That should be your question, Annie.

Instead you resort to the sort of contempt and arrogance we have come to expect from Remainers.

Your conclusion that all the problems people face can never be changed is defeatist, and tbh, not remotely helpful .

Tbh , if you've got nothing to say.............Say Nothing!!

As far as I'm concerned the referendum WAS the right vehcle for change.............It's our inept political class that have got it wrong and our archaic political environment that needs changing, destroying,rebuilding!
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23-02-2019, 12:45 PM
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Re: Could There Really be Civil Unrest if Brexit is not Delivered?

I am seeing the same old Remainer propaganda and mantras in this thread. It was all previously focussed on "BrExit will be catastrophic" and "we must have a 2nd referendum"

Now with the BrExit date just weeks away it's been a mad frantic push across all media channels to state over and over and over that "No Deal will be catastrophic"

Make no mistake these people are EU stooges

They are an integral part of the machinery and of the Masonic and Common Purpose collective doing everything they can to scupper BrExit.

They are petrified of No Deal, simply because it DOES actually mean we would leave the EU. That's the outcome they don't want, the outcome they can't control. If we leave with No Deal we are out, properly, completely and these people will do and say absolutely anything to prevent that from happening. Hence some of the posters comments in this thread.

YES I imagine there is going to be civil unrest. It seems utterly inevitable to me personally. People are waking up.
The Masonic/Common Purpose establishment have for years perpetuated the ILLUSION of democracy by presenting to the dumbed down populous the 3 main political parties to choose from when in fact they are all the same. They are all establishment parties and any vote for any of those parties over the past 40 years has been a vote for the EU.

The EU establishment is going to ignore the democratic decision of the people, so more and more are waking up to the realisation that we have all been duped for a long time. The realisation that democracy doesn't actually exist at all.

What we therefore have is a quasi dictatorship using a false illusory democracy to front itself.

They are clearly never going to allow us to leave the EU

If you still believe BrExit will happen then stand up, slap yourself across the cheek and say "WAKE UP !"

It is NOT going to happen. They are NOT going to allow it to happen.

What you are going to see is the establishment push through a fake deal which gives the ILLUSION of leaving the EU but which simply sees us stay in under their control, under the rules and regs of the EU and ECJ. This is what they do. Hoodwink people, bamboozle people, lie to people.

There are too many people now waking up to the real world they live in. When the fudge fake deal is agreed in parliament as it surely will, then I think it likely that many will take to the streets.

As Swim says that's not good, innocents will get hurt, properties will be destroyed, places will no longer be safe to walk.

That said, when war comes you have to realise it's there otherwise everything you love and take for granted will be lost. Sitting in a chair ignoring it is a recipe for absolute disaster. Not just for us but for our children and our children's children.

BrExit is now a side issue, almost negligible compared to the threat of having our long fought freedoms removed and our democracy completely destroyed. In its place will come a full totalitarian regime, the Orwellian nightmare.

Already our basic freedom of speech privileges are being drastically suppressed. Lots and lots of things you are no longer permitted to say, not just through peer pressure but on a legal basis, you will be fined and/or locked up.

This is Orwell's "Thought Police".

How long before we lose the freedom to disagree with the government, and/or to oppose it.

Already the EU Treaties MANDATE that member states must not oppose the EU or its aims and agendas. Go read the actual documents, freely downloadable.

The EU wants to bring in Corpus Juris the complete reverse of our Habeus Corpus laws.

We treasure the principle of "Innocent Until Proved Guilty"

We take that freedom completely for granted. It protects us as citizens. It means no-one can just arrest and lock us up for no reason, without evidence, without a fair trial.

Corpus Juris is the complete opposite. It is "Guilty Until You Prove Your Innocence".

It means YOU CAN be seized off the street, locked up without evidence, without trial for periods of up to 6 months, maybe longer. This is what the EU want and have previously presented and which our government has reviewed. It WILL come if we stay in the EU.

Is Corpus Juris the kind of thing a free and democratic country would want? No, those are the tenets of a totalitarian police state.

This is why BrExit is a sideshow. There is far more at stake here. Our basic freedoms will be lost if we continue to remain in slumber whilst the Common Purpose collective continue to sell the country down the river to foreign powers, drafting and signing Treaties behind closed doors which affect all our lives, and without any referendum or vote by the people.

With so much at stake, yes, I do think there is likely to be civil unrest on a widespread basis right across the country. It will happen as soon as the people realise that the establishment and EU have absolutely no intention whatsoever of allowing us to properly leave the EU.

Common sense tells you it will happen. Whether we agree with it or not is immaterial. Being prepared for that chaos is now key. Stockpiling food is not enough. You need to understand how to preserve food, you need to understand which foods last months. You also need a way to purify water.

Ignore all the BS propaganda about "No Deal" being catastrophic, about "No Deal" being the thing that will see civil unrest. It's all Remainer/EU nonsense. It's being spouted because "No Deal" actually DOES see us leave the EU. It is what they fear the most.

In fact it is THE ONLY WAY we will ever be able to really leave the EU.

That is why they will deny it.
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23-02-2019, 04:08 PM
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Re: Could There Really be Civil Unrest if Brexit is not Delivered?

Originally Posted by Realist ->
I am seeing the same old Remainer propaganda and mantras in this thread. It was all previously focussed on "BrExit will be catastrophic" and "we must have a 2nd referendum"

Now with the BrExit date just weeks away it's been a mad frantic push across all media channels to state over and over and over that "No Deal will be catastrophic"

Make no mistake these people are EU stooges

They are an integral part of the machinery and of the Masonic and Common Purpose collective doing everything they can to scupper BrExit.

They are petrified of No Deal, simply because it DOES actually mean we would leave the EU. That's the outcome they don't want, the outcome they can't control. If we leave with No Deal we are out, properly, completely and these people will do and say absolutely anything to prevent that from happening. Hence some of the posters comments in this thread.

YES I imagine there is going to be civil unrest. It seems utterly inevitable to me personally. People are waking up.
The Masonic/Common Purpose establishment have for years perpetuated the ILLUSION of democracy by presenting to the dumbed down populous the 3 main political parties to choose from when in fact they are all the same. They are all establishment parties and any vote for any of those parties over the past 40 years has been a vote for the EU.

The EU establishment is going to ignore the democratic decision of the people, so more and more are waking up to the realisation that we have all been duped for a long time. The realisation that democracy doesn't actually exist at all.

What we therefore have is a quasi dictatorship using a false illusory democracy to front itself.

They are clearly never going to allow us to leave the EU

If you still believe BrExit will happen then stand up, slap yourself across the cheek and say "WAKE UP !"

It is NOT going to happen. They are NOT going to allow it to happen.

What you are going to see is the establishment push through a fake deal which gives the ILLUSION of leaving the EU but which simply sees us stay in under their control, under the rules and regs of the EU and ECJ. This is what they do. Hoodwink people, bamboozle people, lie to people.

There are too many people now waking up to the real world they live in. When the fudge fake deal is agreed in parliament as it surely will, then I think it likely that many will take to the streets.

As Swim says that's not good, innocents will get hurt, properties will be destroyed, places will no longer be safe to walk.

That said, when war comes you have to realise it's there otherwise everything you love and take for granted will be lost. Sitting in a chair ignoring it is a recipe for absolute disaster. Not just for us but for our children and our children's children.

BrExit is now a side issue, almost negligible compared to the threat of having our long fought freedoms removed and our democracy completely destroyed. In its place will come a full totalitarian regime, the Orwellian nightmare.

Already our basic freedom of speech privileges are being drastically suppressed. Lots and lots of things you are no longer permitted to say, not just through peer pressure but on a legal basis, you will be fined and/or locked up.

This is Orwell's "Thought Police".

How long before we lose the freedom to disagree with the government, and/or to oppose it.

Already the EU Treaties MANDATE that member states must not oppose the EU or its aims and agendas. Go read the actual documents, freely downloadable.

The EU wants to bring in Corpus Juris the complete reverse of our Habeus Corpus laws.

We treasure the principle of "Innocent Until Proved Guilty"

We take that freedom completely for granted. It protects us as citizens. It means no-one can just arrest and lock us up for no reason, without evidence, without a fair trial.

Corpus Juris is the complete opposite. It is "Guilty Until You Prove Your Innocence".

It means YOU CAN be seized off the street, locked up without evidence, without trial for periods of up to 6 months, maybe longer. This is what the EU want and have previously presented and which our government has reviewed. It WILL come if we stay in the EU.

Is Corpus Juris the kind of thing a free and democratic country would want? No, those are the tenets of a totalitarian police state.

This is why BrExit is a sideshow. There is far more at stake here. Our basic freedoms will be lost if we continue to remain in slumber whilst the Common Purpose collective continue to sell the country down the river to foreign powers, drafting and signing Treaties behind closed doors which affect all our lives, and without any referendum or vote by the people.

With so much at stake, yes, I do think there is likely to be civil unrest on a widespread basis right across the country. It will happen as soon as the people realise that the establishment and EU have absolutely no intention whatsoever of allowing us to properly leave the EU.

Common sense tells you it will happen. Whether we agree with it or not is immaterial. Being prepared for that chaos is now key. Stockpiling food is not enough. You need to understand how to preserve food, you need to understand which foods last months. You also need a way to purify water.

Ignore all the BS propaganda about "No Deal" being catastrophic, about "No Deal" being the thing that will see civil unrest. It's all Remainer/EU nonsense. It's being spouted because "No Deal" actually DOES see us leave the EU. It is what they fear the most.

In fact it is THE ONLY WAY we will ever be able to really leave the EU.

That is why they will deny it.
Complete BS. Barring one member, even the ERG are backpedaling on a no deal Brexit as it becomes ever more apparent that the damage it will go go the UK will be untenable and fear a backlash from the people if there are price rises, food shortages and job losses. I doubt there would be civil war but there could be civil unrest and that could be from leavers and remained alike
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23-02-2019, 04:19 PM
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Re: Could There Really be Civil Unrest if Brexit is not Delivered?

lol thanks to the EU Stooge.

Meanwhile, NO DEAL all the way

It is THE ONLY WAY we will ever get out of the EU.

They are desperate for us not to leave, No Deal let's us Leave and hence Project Hysteria is in full flow
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23-02-2019, 09:10 PM
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Re: Could There Really be Civil Unrest if Brexit is not Delivered?

Originally Posted by Realist ->
lol thanks to the EU Stooge.

Meanwhile, NO DEAL all the way

It is THE ONLY WAY we will ever get out of the EU.

They are desperate for us not to leave, No Deal let's us Leave and hence Project Hysteria is in full flow
The only desperation is that of the leavers who erroneously thought that the EU needs us more than we need them and that the rest of the world would be queuing up to do trade deals with us


So far wrong on both counts and the leavers lies are beginning to come home to roost

Most the major advocates of leaving without a deal have done a complete volte-face and it’s only the Russian Trolls that are pushing for the UK to leave without a deal just ad you are doing
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23-02-2019, 09:10 PM
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Re: Could There Really be Civil Unrest if Brexit is not Delivered?

OK no deal supporters.
So under a no deal where will our food and medicines come from?
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23-02-2019, 09:37 PM
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Re: Could There Really be Civil Unrest if Brexit is not Delivered?

Originally Posted by Moscow ->
People voted Leave because they felt things need to change so their lives improve .........That is not the wrong reason to vote, it's absolutely the right reason.

Was the referendum the correct vehicle for that ambition???

That should be your question, Annie.

Instead you resort to the sort of contempt and arrogance we have come to expect from Remainers.

Your conclusion that all the problems people face can never be changed is defeatist, and tbh, not remotely helpful .

Tbh , if you've got nothing to say.............Say Nothing!!

As far as I'm concerned the referendum WAS the right vehcle for change.............It's our inept political class that have got it wrong and our archaic political environment that needs changing, destroying,rebuilding!
It's not arrogant at all. If people voted Brexit because they want us to become a federalist system then that is just ridiculous.

It's all coming out now. People have taken us out of a trading block for completely stupid reasons nothing to do with the EU itself. Yet when you ask people they say no, it's all about the EU etc. Well this thread just blows that argument totally into space.

If people had a problem with the way things are being run in this country then they should have changed the way things are done in this country!

it's really pathetic that we are leaving the EU as a two finger message to the Government.

The more I read about such nonsense the more I feel this was not democratic at all. Everyone seems to have an angle nothing to do with the EU. Just self interest and manipulation. Machiavelli had nothing on leave voters.

I just want our blinking economy to work, some leave voters want anarchy and destruction of all our historic structures. The funny thing is that all these different groups have different interests and they don't agree with each other on what should happen next. If anyone had meant for the destruction of the UK into utter chaos then this referendum was the perfect plan.
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23-02-2019, 09:40 PM
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Re: Could There Really be Civil Unrest if Brexit is not Delivered?

Originally Posted by Unsure ->
OK no deal supporters.
So under a no deal where will our food and medicines come from?
The same places. There will just be different terms and conditions.
 
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