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26-08-2019, 01:30 PM
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Re: Don't Even Go There Boris!

Interesting take on things by Trevor Kavanagh of the Sun today.

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BORIS’S CUNNING AND SUBTLE PLAN B.

France and Germany have drummed up what Baldrick might call a “cunning and subtle plan”.

Bumbling Boris, our half-witted new Prime Minister, will be tempted to buy a shiny version of Theresa May’s car-crash Chequers deal, rebadged and resprayed but still the same old banger.
Britain will be offered an 11th-hour concession it cannot refuse without risking the fury of Remainers, spurred on by subversive Commons Speaker, John Bercow.

Like most of Baldrick’s cunning plans, though, this one is a clunker.

Boris loves to be loved but he knows with absolute certainty he cannot survive the EU’s cloying embrace.
For all his cheery jokes in Berlin and Paris, Britain is on course for a snap election on - or even before - the Brexit deadline of October 31st, following a tax-slashing emergency Budget.

Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron have not blinked. They have no intention of allowing Boris to claim victory. Britain must be punished or the creaking EU will disintegrate.
Mrs Merkel may have laughed at Boris’s jokes but she has survived as one of the West’s longest-serving leaders by solidly standing her ground. The only time she broke the habit was when she opened the floodgates to a million Syrian refugees.

She hopes the Brexit problem will resolve itself. Given time, rebel Brits will come to heel.
So Theresa May’s withdrawal treaty will not be reopened. We might see some feeble tinkering with the Irish backstop but it will not be scrapped. We will remain half in, half out, with no rights, no say and a £30billion for the privilege - which Boris is now threatening to spend here in Britain.

You’d have to be Baldrick himself to fall for Macron and Merkel’s cunning stunt.
But unless they tear up the wretched treaty - already trashed three times in Parliament - the booby trap will blow up in their faces.

Boris has no choice. He either leads his party to likely victory in a once-and-for-all No Deal election, or like lambs to the slaughter under the knives of Nigel Farage’s rampaging Brexit party.
So far, he has played a blinder. Polls show a steadily growing surge of support as we head for Halloween. This is a no-brainer.

Merkel and Macron, along with clucking clown Donald Tusk, have completely misjudged the tide of history. Boris, a Classics scholar, knows he must now take it at the flood and lead Britain on to fortune.
Not only is Project Fear a monstrous work of fiction - it is the EU that is fearful, not the UK, as we prepare to become a free-trading, low-tax, offshore sovereign nation,

Forget No Deal. Hundreds of “mini-deals” are already being sealed on cross-border transport, airports, shipping, insurance and foreign residency status. There will be no border on the Irish frontier unless Europe or Dublin impose one.

There will, according to the Deputy Mayor of Calais, be no hold-ups for British trucks crossing the Channel or EU vehicles coming our way.
Nor will other major cities risk local jobs, especially German car towns facing meltdown on world markets. French farmers can see which side their croissants are buttered, too.
Brussels knows world trade will flood to Britain as we set up freeports in Liverpool, Belfast, Teeside and Aberdeen.

Project Fear will be seen for what it is - a con trick by ex-Chancellor, George Osborne’s tainted Treasury and a complicit Bank of England.
Not to mention the International Monetary Fund, where Mr Osborne - having turned London’s once-proud Evening Standard into a personal Project Fear propaganda sheet - is seeking to become President.

Boris Johnson’s job now is to prove Britain can thrive after Brexit, halt the crimewave on our streets, clean up our schools and put the NHS back on its feet.
He cannot risk being side-tracked and humiliated, like Baldrick, by the bullying Blackadders of Brussels.

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26-08-2019, 01:37 PM
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I truly hope that is their position, Meg. I appreciate a GE in October has been put forward as 1 of 5 plans of action, so I hope it is indeed just a diversional tactic to frustrate opposition Remain MP's, and the EU before 31st October.
The electoral commission maintains that there need to be 25 working days between polling and the resolution of parliament. If parliament votes on a motion by government to call a GE, the first possible date for a GE (including HoC rise for yearly conventions) is after october 31.
So boris is ?
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media/2184
Why should he? Well, if he keeps heading for no deal, he risks parliament legislating for revoking A50.
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26-08-2019, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
Interesting take on things by Trevor Kavanagh of the Sun today.

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BORIS’S CUNNING AND SUBTLE PLAN B.

France and Germany have drummed up what Baldrick might call a “cunning and subtle plan”.

Bumbling Boris, our half-witted new Prime Minister, will be tempted to buy a shiny version of Theresa May’s car-crash Chequers deal, rebadged and resprayed but still the same old banger.
Britain will be offered an 11th-hour concession it cannot refuse without risking the fury of Remainers, spurred on by subversive Commons Speaker, John Bercow.

Like most of Baldrick’s cunning plans, though, this one is a clunker.

Boris loves to be loved but he knows with absolute certainty he cannot survive the EU’s cloying embrace.
For all his cheery jokes in Berlin and Paris, Britain is on course for a snap election on - or even before - the Brexit deadline of October 31st, following a tax-slashing emergency Budget.

Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron have not blinked. They have no intention of allowing Boris to claim victory. Britain must be punished or the creaking EU will disintegrate.
Mrs Merkel may have laughed at Boris’s jokes but she has survived as one of the West’s longest-serving leaders by solidly standing her ground. The only time she broke the habit was when she opened the floodgates to a million Syrian refugees.

She hopes the Brexit problem will resolve itself. Given time, rebel Brits will come to heel.
So Theresa May’s withdrawal treaty will not be reopened. We might see some feeble tinkering with the Irish backstop but it will not be scrapped. We will remain half in, half out, with no rights, no say and a £30billion for the privilege - which Boris is now threatening to spend here in Britain.

You’d have to be Baldrick himself to fall for Macron and Merkel’s cunning stunt.
But unless they tear up the wretched treaty - already trashed three times in Parliament - the booby trap will blow up in their faces.

Boris has no choice. He either leads his party to likely victory in a once-and-for-all No Deal election, or like lambs to the slaughter under the knives of Nigel Farage’s rampaging Brexit party.
So far, he has played a blinder. Polls show a steadily growing surge of support as we head for Halloween. This is a no-brainer.

Merkel and Macron, along with clucking clown Donald Tusk, have completely misjudged the tide of history. Boris, a Classics scholar, knows he must now take it at the flood and lead Britain on to fortune.
Not only is Project Fear a monstrous work of fiction - it is the EU that is fearful, not the UK, as we prepare to become a free-trading, low-tax, offshore sovereign nation,

Forget No Deal. Hundreds of “mini-deals” are already being sealed on cross-border transport, airports, shipping, insurance and foreign residency status. There will be no border on the Irish frontier unless Europe or Dublin impose one.

There will, according to the Deputy Mayor of Calais, be no hold-ups for British trucks crossing the Channel or EU vehicles coming our way.
Nor will other major cities risk local jobs, especially German car towns facing meltdown on world markets. French farmers can see which side their croissants are buttered, too.
Brussels knows world trade will flood to Britain as we set up freeports in Liverpool, Belfast, Teeside and Aberdeen.

Project Fear will be seen for what it is - a con trick by ex-Chancellor, George Osborne’s tainted Treasury and a complicit Bank of England.
Not to mention the International Monetary Fund, where Mr Osborne - having turned London’s once-proud Evening Standard into a personal Project Fear propaganda sheet - is seeking to become President.

Boris Johnson’s job now is to prove Britain can thrive after Brexit, halt the crimewave on our streets, clean up our schools and put the NHS back on its feet.
He cannot risk being side-tracked and humiliated, like Baldrick, by the bullying Blackadders of Brussels.

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... as the ECB has slashes growth estimates and predicts a level of growth that is half of what they had projected eighteen months ago.


... as the EU revises its budget


... billions and billions of ECB quantitive easing into the Eurozone and the economies still decline....


Great post SG !
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26-08-2019, 02:37 PM
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I'll be honest. My fear is that Boris may not have a choice and be forced to call a snap election before Brexit is delivered.

One only has to see that as we have been hounded for over three years by Remainers intent on blocking the biggest democratic event in our history, aided by the odious little toad, Bercow, they have run roughshod over every Parliamentary convention, making it up as they went along. And they won't stop now as the Brexit winning line comes into view.

Can anyone remember when our government has ever been forced to publish confidential legal advice prior to Brexit? No, neither can I.
Can anyone ever remember an opposition party dragging the Queen into a Parliamentary battle? No, neither can I.
Can anyone ever remember the Speaker blatantly abusing his position - ever?
No, neither can I.

Now Keir Starmer has apparently reared his ugly head again and is threatening to use every means at his disposal to disrupt Brexit, including a vote of no confidence. this surely will force Boris to call a snap election if he loses that VOC. It will put Starmer back in his box okay, they will only have themselves to blame. but at what cost to Leavers loyalties.

This is where I believe the problem lies. Boris would be seeking leavers votes to back him in his quest for Brexit, hoping for a majority and expecting us to vote as though we have full confidence in him against the subservients tryiing to stop Brexit. WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY TRUST IN HIM.

Maybe it's just my pessimistic view of politicians. but if anything must be done to thwart those anti-democratic, self-serving gits from the opposition benches and their own party, I hope it turns out to be proroguing Parliament to get us over the line before an election, rather than a snap election in October, because if it ever comes to that, Brexit will be something that everyone else votes on. My vote will be a split vote.

I simply will not vote for Boris before he gives us Brexit.
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26-08-2019, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
I'll be honest. My fear is that Boris may not have a choice and be forced to call a snap election before Brexit is delivered.

One only has to see that as we have been hounded for over three years by Remainers intent on blocking the biggest democratic event in our history, aided by the odious little toad, Bercow, they have run roughshod over every Parliamentary convention, making it up as they went along. And they won't stop now as the Brexit winning line comes into view.

Can anyone remember when our government has ever been forced to publish confidential legal advice prior to Brexit? No, neither can I.
Can anyone ever remember an opposition party dragging the Queen into a Parliamentary battle? No, neither can I.
Can anyone ever remember the Speaker blatantly abusing his position - ever?
No, neither can I.

Now Keir Starmer has apparently reared his ugly head again and is threatening to use every means at his disposal to disrupt Brexit, including a vote of no confidence. this surely will force Boris to call a snap election if he loses that VOC. It will put Starmer back in his box okay, they will only have themselves to blame. but at what cost to Leavers loyalties.

This is where I believe the problem lies. Boris would be seeking leavers votes to back him in his quest for Brexit, hoping for a majority and expecting us to vote as though we have full confidence in him against the subservients tryiing to stop Brexit. WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY TRUST IN HIM.

Maybe it's just my pessimistic view of politicians. but if anything must be done to thwart those anti-democratic, self-serving gits from the opposition benches and their own party, I hope it turns out to be proroguing Parliament to get us over the line before an election, rather than a snap election in October, because if it ever comes to that, Brexit will be something that everyone else votes on. My vote will be a split vote.

I simply will not vote for Boris before he gives us Brexit.


Remember though, Boris won the election (within the membership and the party) fair and square by a huge majority. In a vote of no confidence he would need a lot more of his own party to vote against him for labour to succeed. The numbers aren't there - Corbyn needs (I think it is) 2/3 of parliament to vote against Boris.

I can't see Corbyn winning especially when a fair chunk of his own party wont back him.
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26-08-2019, 03:11 PM
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Hi

I do not like Boris and also think that a No Deal is Stupid.

There is no way that I will ever vote for Corbyn, even though I am a Labour supporter.

I am a socialist, not a Marxist, two very different things.

I am happy to pay more tax to help those less fortunate than myself.

A Trade Unionist, but I consider Corbyn the same as Scargill.

Utter Scum, the pair of them.
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26-08-2019, 03:20 PM
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I wouldn't believe more than a fraction of the speculation in the press, I think BJs team will have a carefully worked out strategy with specific moves to cover every eventuality.

Part of that strategy will be to confuse/ 'wrong foot' the opposition taking them away from the real course of action.
There are only 2 main roads. One via parliament legislating to revoke A50 to a remain situation. You'll probably agree with me that it is a bridge too far presently for parliament.
The second goes via another extension, be it by legislation of present parliament dictating the pm to ask for extension, be it by GE, and a subsequent referendum.
If the referendum outcome is remain, well, so be it. If again the people chose to leave, the present situation returns. Leave with no deal or accept may's deal.
So 2 out of 3 outcomes are remain....
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26-08-2019, 03:32 PM
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There are only 2 main roads. One via parliament legislating to revoke A50 to a remain situation. You'll probably agree with me that it is a bridge too far presently for parliament.
The second goes via another extension, be it by legislation of present parliament dictating the pm to ask for extension, be it by GE, and a subsequent referendum.
If the referendum outcome is remain, well, so be it. If again the people chose to leave, the present situation returns. Leave with no deal or accept may's deal.
So 2 out of 3 outcomes are remain....
Hi

I find myself posting less and less on here.

The middle ground seems to have been lost.

It is either stupid posts from the rampant Brexiteers or stupid posts from people like yourself.

It is no longer a rational debate, just a slanging match.
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Hi

I find myself posting less and less on here.

The middle ground seems to have been lost.

It is either stupid posts from the rampant Brexiteers or stupid posts from people like yourself.

It is no longer a rational debate, just a slanging match.
Show me the middle between leave and remain?
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Show me the middle between leave and remain?
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Loads on here, most of whom have now left.

Your posts about the stupidity of Brexit and those who voted for it, I find condescending and derogatory in the utmost.

It is not just about the money, it is about the direction of travel of the EU.

I want no part of an EU Army and there is no way we can accept the arrogance of Merkel opening up the Borders unilaterally.

Macron can sod off as well, we are not part of the EU to keep French Farmers in business.

As to your regard for your beloved Netherlands.

A large part of my PTSD is down to the aftermath of dealing with your gutless refusal to prevent the slaughter of innocents.

Mass graves of innocent women and kids are not a nice thing to deal with.

I would have stood and fought, a dad thing.

I would not have stood aside and let it happen.

You are in no position to lecture us.
 
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