04-09-2019, 09:51 AM
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Re: Government Loses its Working Majority
Originally Posted by Tedc
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The Telegraph agrees with you there, Bread, and points out that Boris could even go over there and veto UK's own motions (no pun intended).
Regards Donkeyman!
04-09-2019, 10:14 AM
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Re: Government Loses its Working Majority
Originally Posted by Bread
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Wrong.We are a full member of the European Union, bound by all of the treaties. We do not participate in the day to day activities of the EU Parliament but we do retain our right of veto as an EU Member.
The Queen can also veto the latest stunt by the remainers.
What planet are you on?
04-09-2019, 10:17 AM
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Re: Government Loses its Working Majority
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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Lets face it Brucy, Boris never really had a chance did he?But like yourself l also question why he started this off so
early, why did'nt he wait as long as he could??
However it is what it is, the question is now, what is it??
( tongue in cheek)! I see you do believe there are disadvantages
to membership after all?
Regards Donkeyman!
04-09-2019, 10:30 AM
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How’s this for a theory.Boris and Dominic have purged the Tories of those who disagree with them. They’ll now get their election with a right wing “on message” party behind them and new right wing candidates to replace those shown the door. They win the election and repeal the “no deal” law thus pleasing Nigel (who would be in on the whole thing). They then get their no deal exit and can blame the EU and the rebels for the delay.
Meanwhile, in Scotland, the SNP win 50-55 seats. Roll on independence!
04-09-2019, 10:40 AM
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HiWe remain a member of the EU until we leave.
That means we have a veto on anything which requires a full agreement, not those things which require a qualified majority.
Once Article 50 was triggered we lost the ability to veto on the withdrawal agree, that is part and parcel of it.
Think about it, if we had a veto the backstop would not be an issue. Boris could just veto it.
04-09-2019, 11:07 AM
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Re: Government Loses its Working Majority
Originally Posted by Meg
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Bread I understand that a request to extend article 50 requires the consent of all member states and as we are still a member Johnson can veto an extension.I think at least one other member state might veto the request anyway.
04-09-2019, 11:16 AM
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Re: Government Loses its Working Majority
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Perhaps because Boris Johnson is the most incompetent PM we have ever had
Hardly surprising.
04-09-2019, 11:16 AM
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Re: Government Loses its Working Majority
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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That means we have a veto on anything which requires a full agreement, not those things which require a qualified majority.
The QMV is a total farce and one of the reasons we must leave the EU. It is nothing but a system of barter in which each member state sits with its poker chips and says "Ok if you want me to support your cause and vote your way, what will you do for me?"
QMV was always a nonsense. What possible concern does Latvia have for UK policy? What possible concern does the UK have on national policies of Latvia?
The votes for each member state equate to nothing more than bartering currency. It's a total farce. It also means groups of member states can group together and "gang up" to gain additional power.
The UK needs to be in control of its own matters without this need to consult 27 other countries who frankly don't give a flying fig about the UK.
04-09-2019, 11:17 AM
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Re: Government Loses its Working Majority
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiWe remain a member of the EU until we leave.
That means we have a veto on anything which requires a full agreement, not those things which require a qualified majority.
Once Article 50 was triggered we lost the ability to veto on the withdrawal agree, that is part and parcel of it.
Think about it, if we had a veto the backstop would not be an issue. Boris could just veto it.
If we signed up to it, the treaty itself removes our power of veto and any form of voting. Without it, we remain a full EU member.
04-09-2019, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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The withdrawal treaty has not been ratified. We still have the power to veto.If we signed up to it, the treaty itself removes our power of veto and any form of voting. Without it, we remain a full EU member.
Once again, you miss the point.
It has nothing to do with the Withdrawal Agreement, we lose our Veto over the negotiations when we trigger Article 50.
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