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God help us indeed!

Just on BBC News... France deaths now over 10,000,
Spain 14,555 deaths. These are horrific figures.

Just reading this article which doesn't bode well for the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...study-predicts

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We ere slow off the mark and still are on many things.

Two in particular, testing and provision of PPE for NHS Staff and Carers.

The later in particular is a scandal, there is no point the Government say they are providing millions of PPE, it is still not getting the right stuff to the right people.

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The UK is broken as a nation and national identity.

Mostly because of Blair, Socialism, the "everyone's equal" nonsense, the unwanted unmandated failed multicultural experiment that has NEVER worked, and lost confidence that English culture IS as close to being the best as could be.

It's that lost confidence in ourselves together with the fear to tell people to bore off because they're probably more right than and certainly better than us. Maybe there's even an element of the Swedish "Jantelagen" characteristic now.

Whatever, it doesn't affect me!

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That's 2 pretty serious issues.
Also ..

We need to stop all non essential work that cannot be done from home like building, selling of non essentials, church services etc.
Social distancing should not be voluntary it needs serious enforcement. Penalties like they have in Abu Dhabi would do it.
Busy parks in London need separation lanes and maybe a rota system so different neighbourhoods have different time slots.
Supermarkets need many more drivers so we can order on line and not get infected shopping in their aisles.
Failing that at least a "click and collect" system so we can pick up in a safe way from outside the store.

Regarding our government can anyone on here explain what BoJo was on about with herd immunity? We don't have a vaccine, we have already seen the kill ratios of the virus in China and Italy which both have better health facilities than ours. Please some one explain how that was not some kind of acceptance of mass death?
Our PM is a light weight and a liar. Our chancellor is throwing money around everywhere but actually I don't even care about that. What he does need to do is buy proven test kits and equipment like we should have done in January.
We need to recruit more key workers and more police rapidly. Maybe he could set the tone by doubling every key worker's wages?

I fear our government are simply not up to the job.

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Herd Immunity is a scientific fact, it is how the human race survives all new diseases.

It is basically the survival of the fittest.

It is not however an excuse to do nothing or even to delay implementation of sensible measures.

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OK Lets break that down.
1) The word "herd" refers to animals
2) Herd immunity is a condition where the vast majority of the herd are immune to the disease so that the disease R0 is significantly less than 1 and naturally peters out.
3) Without any human intervention that means the majority of the herd have had the disease, survived and built up their own immunity. In the natural world for most diseases this is the case.
5) We are not even sure that Covid19 is natural or that it can't re-infect
6) We have 60 million humans living in UK. R0 for Covid19 without any protective measures is at least 4 and much, much higher in parties and mass gatherings meaning that we would reach 80% of the population being infected very quickly.

5) On current death rates that is around 48 million people infected and around 2.4 million deaths and obviously a complete meltdown of our NHS, funeral services, families, law and order etc.

Only in Dominic Cummings evil perverted brain could that be any kind of "solution" but the fact that our PM sat there trotting it out in defiance of WHO and every other country on the planet shows what an abject, spineless, useless and dangerous waste of oxygen he really is.

God help us!

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Natural Selection is a fact of life

We have had 90 year olds with medical conditions who have survived, but young people who are fit with no Medical Conditions who have died

There is no magic bullet to this.

You can protect yourself by being sensible, but we will all die.

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Your country is run by dominic cummings. Just look up his ideas about coronavirus and the death of some old pensioners and you have your answers.

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The young who died had no known underlying physical conditions. Which doesn't mean those conditions weren't there. Every year young healthy men drop dead during sport, due to unknown heart problems. Only during obduction that is discovered.

Like you say, you can take protective measures to slow the spread of the disease, giving the maximum number of people a chance to recover.

You (UK) don't count corona deaths outside hospital in the statistics. After the pandamic is over you can count the total number of deaths from outside and inside the hospitals. Ad to that the number of those admitted to hospital care and recovered. Those are the ones that got infected and couldn't cope with the virus by their own immune system. If the protective measures hadn't ensured that the medical system could cope, those would have died too. The death toll would be even higher.

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So provide a bonafide link to where ANY member of the government or any ministerial special adviser EVER said, wrote, semaphored or used sign language or even American First Nation smoke signals that suggested abandoning elderly people to their fate.