13-04-2020, 04:25 AM
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[QUOTE=Bread;1887857]Don't forget Blair who pushed for university education over apprenticeships and devalued tradesmen.Our manufacturing has mostly move to other countries in the EU such as Poland, using money incentives paid for by the EU.[/QUOTE]
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No it hasn't.
13-04-2020, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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Don't forget Blair who pushed for university education over apprenticeships and devalued tradesmen.Our manufacturing has mostly move to other countries in the EU such as Poland, using money incentives paid for by the EU.[/QUOTE]
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No it hasn't.
The manufacturing we had left has been so over-regulated with stupid fines and penalties imposed by the EU its no longer worth us doing, then there is the state funding rules that prevents us from bailing out our own industry and the result is where we are. It's no wonder we got our manufacturing done in the EU and then to China, when the EU got on the climate change bandwagon it paved the way for unproductive cheap shit from a communist block that steals our intellectual property rights, abuses workers and animals, locks up muslims in concentration camps, murders whistle blowers and silences the freedom of the press and free speech.
Only a communist sympathiser and china apologist would celebrate China's (and the EU's to an extent) socialist hard left ethics, while accusing his own country and fellow Brits as "being crap at everything". You seem very bitter, Swimmy
13-04-2020, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce
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Perhaps Blair knew that and also knew that immigrants make the economy grow because they have to be fed, housed, clothed and want to work. Immigration is the only thing that has kept the Australian domestic economy growing for the last year or so.
Your comparison between Australia and the UK is a very poor one.....
In a country that is 32 times the size of the UK with a population of only 25 million and jam packed with natural resources, and a growing economy with many opportunities in mining precious metals, coal and other minerals, the smart money would be on imported labour.
The UK on the other hand, with a population of over 68 million and a diminishing economy after the re location of industry and manufacturing to foreign competitors, has not now got the job opportunities that Australia has.
Furthermore; I believe Australia is quite choosy and strict on the kind of labourer they admit to your country. The UK under the Blair administration handed out work permits and visas to anyone who applied for one.
By admitting migrants into a country to grow the domestic economy is assuming that every migrant would be walking straight into meaningful employment and contributing to the national purse. Well perhaps that was the case in Australia, because you made sure there was sufficient work for the skilled migrants, but certainly not in the UK when jobs were scarce, and because families accompanied the prospective working migrant, they would need healthcare and education for their young, so they actually detracted from the domestic economy.
Your theory about migration does not work in the UK Bruce; It's a bit like building a bigger engine (i.e the working population) to get more power, but then find it needs more fuel (public money and handouts) so a bigger engine has to built.....Catch 22 springs to mind...
13-04-2020, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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A lot of it has and other countries in the EU, courtesy of EU grants etc. The collapse of Rover was down to EU emissions regulations that they conveniently kept quiet about until Germany had got its act together. By then it was too late.
The manufacturing we had left has been so over-regulated with stupid fines and penalties imposed by the EU its no longer worth us doing, then there is the state funding rules that prevents us from bailing out our own industry and the result is where we are. It's no wonder we got our manufacturing done in the EU and then to China, when the EU got on the climate change bandwagon it paved the way for unproductive cheap shit from a communist block that steals our intellectual property rights, abuses workers and animals, locks up muslims in concentration camps, murders whistle blowers and silences the freedom of the press and free speech.
Only a communist sympathiser and china apologist would celebrate China's (and the EU's to an extent) socialist hard left ethics, while accusing his own country and fellow Brits as "being crap at everything". You seem very bitter, Swimmy
13-04-2020, 03:31 PM
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[QUOTE=Bread;1888462]
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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A lot of it has and other countries in the EU, courtesy of EU grants etc. The collapse of Rover was down to EU emissions regulations that they conveniently kept quiet about until Germany had got its act together. By then it was too late.
The manufacturing we had left has been so over-regulated with stupid fines and penalties imposed by the EU its no longer worth us doing, then there is the state funding rules that prevents us from bailing out our own industry and the result is where we are. It's no wonder we got our manufacturing done in the EU and then to China, when the EU got on the climate change bandwagon it paved the way for unproductive cheap shit from a communist block that steals our intellectual property rights, abuses workers and animals, locks up muslims in concentration camps, murders whistle blowers and silences the freedom of the press and free speech.
Only a communist sympathiser and china apologist would celebrate China's (and the EU's to an extent) socialist hard left ethics, while accusing his own country and fellow Brits as "being crap at everything". You seem very bitter, Swimmy
14-04-2020, 10:08 AM
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World Health Organization facing criticism over pandemic.https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/113494...hina-cover-up/
U.S. president has accused the WHO of being too focused on China.
https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morri...ovid-19-cover/
14-04-2020, 10:28 AM
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China is getting hit by the virus, again!https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...home-overseas/
Wonder how they'll "manage" these numbers?
14-04-2020, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedc
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China is getting hit by the virus, again!https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...home-overseas/
Wonder how they'll "manage" these numbers?
14-04-2020, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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You must have attended the same dubious school of economics that Blair did Bruce....Your comparison between Australia and the UK is a very poor one.....
In a country that is 32 times the size of the UK with a population of only 25 million and jam packed with natural resources, and a growing economy with many opportunities in mining precious metals, coal and other minerals, the smart money would be on imported labour.
The UK on the other hand, with a population of over 68 million and a diminishing economy after the re location of industry and manufacturing to foreign competitors, has not now got the job opportunities that Australia has.
Furthermore; I believe Australia is quite choosy and strict on the kind of labourer they admit to your country. The UK under the Blair administration handed out work permits and visas to anyone who applied for one.
By admitting migrants into a country to grow the domestic economy is assuming that every migrant would be walking straight into meaningful employment and contributing to the national purse. Well perhaps that was the case in Australia, because you made sure there was sufficient work for the skilled migrants, but certainly not in the UK when jobs were scarce, and because families accompanied the prospective working migrant, they would need healthcare and education for their young, so they actually detracted from the domestic economy.
Your theory about migration does not work in the UK Bruce; It's a bit like building a bigger engine (i.e the working population) to get more power, but then find it needs more fuel (public money and handouts) so a bigger engine has to built.....Catch 22 springs to mind...
In our case immigration wasn't controlled like in Australia so where Australia get the immigrants they wanted we got ones that went straight on benefits because they had no job to go to, no qualifications and didn't even speak English.
14-04-2020, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedc
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Con Goughlin, in the Daily Telegraph, says that there needs to be a reckoning with China once this emergency is over.He argues that China was culpable in creating the epidemic, and that was followed by a breach of Trust between China and the rest of the world.
He says that they covered up the true scale of the outbreak, launched a disinformation campaign that they were the victims rather than the perps.
He says they have also exploited the pandemic for economic gain.
Apparently, they have even re-opened the live animal markets!
He believes that there must be a new look at future dealings with Beiging.
All sounds a bit right, to me, but will we (the rest of the world) do it?
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