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Re: Paying for Social Care.

Originally Posted by Judd ->
Perhaps we ought to save up for a one-way ticket to Dignitas? That should solve a lot of problems for us old wrinklies.
That fat over thatched buffoon ... sorry ... The Prime Minster needs to remember that he will also be a pensioner one day!
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Hi

Quickly, painlessly and with my pride intact.

I am a scientist, I have everything in place.
One does not have to be a scientist to have an efficient exit plan, Swimmy!
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27-07-2020, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Judd ->
Perhaps we ought to save up for a one-way ticket to Dignitas? That should solve a lot of problems for us old wrinklies.
I think we should have the absolute right to end our lives, with help if necessary, when we feel well past our sell by date and life isn't worth living anymore.
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27-07-2020, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedc ->
Maybe we should invent something called "National Insurance" so that there is a, sort of, package aimed at funding anything untoward which might happen to us.

Maybe, also, we could do a deep review of how income tax is managed. Cut out any ways of avoiding paying, such as overseas accounts, etc. avoid tricks and games played by self employed.

My thinking is "enough is enough".

i.e. we already pay plenty - manage it properly!

Do l detect some tongue in cheek there Ted??
This was the original intention of national insurance when it was
invented years ago was'nt it?
Why did they change it?
Could it be that bosses did'nt like paying their half of the contributions
especially when the pot built up?
Imo we should just reinstate it as it was!!

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27-07-2020, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Do l detect some tongue in cheek there Ted??
This was the original intention of national insurance when it was
invented years ago was'nt it?
Why did they change it?
Could it be that bosses did'nt like paying their half of the contributions
especially when the pot built up?
Imo we should just reinstate it as it was!!

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The UK national insurance scheme was always intended to be paid for out of current taxation. There never was any pot. Same with the whole of the Welfare State.
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27-07-2020, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Do l detect some tongue in cheek there Ted??
This was the original intention of national insurance when it was
invented years ago was'nt it?
Why did they change it?
Could it be that bosses did'nt like paying their half of the contributions
especially when the pot built up?
Imo we should just reinstate it as it was!!

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Moi Donks?

We could cut back on benefits and, as a result, build a magnificent Boris Bridge over to Northern Ireland, or another one across the Thames.

We might, also, consider adding other groups to those paid by clapping ones hands outside our doors.

That would save a lot of money - we could even use that bit to build a really fast train, from London to Brum, which could save as much as 10 minutes for those who could afford to ride on it.

I'll get my coat - it's raining outside!

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27-07-2020, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
The UK national insurance scheme was always intended to be paid for out of current taxation. There never was any pot. Same with the whole of the Welfare State.
That appears to be your consistent belief Todgy, but being a little
older than you l believe,nl can remember the mantra being at that
time that the NI deductions from our wage packets was dedicated to
paying for our pensions? There w!ere other dedicated deductions as
well, such as UIF and social club etc,do you remember those days??
when the boss had a social conscience?
Well nobody was supposed to touch those payments, not even
yourself ,untill you retired!!
And if you changed jobs the fund was transferred with you to the
new company !!
WHYwas it changed and who's idea was i t to change??
A perfect self regulating system totally transparent and functioing
effeciently? WHY change it??
Can you explain it to me??

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Re: Paying for Social Care.

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Moi Donks?

We could cut back on benefits and, as a result, build a magnificent Boris Bridge over to Northern Ireland, or another one across the Thames.

We might, also, consider adding other groups to those paid by clapping ones hands outside our doors.

That would save a lot of money - we could even use that bit to build a really fast train, from London to Brum, which could save as much as 10 minutes for those who could afford to ride on it.

I'll get my coat - it's raining outside!

Paradise lost!
From there is NO MONEY TREE MAY to
GO AND SHAKE ANOTHER COUPLE OF TREES JOHNSON!!

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27-07-2020, 02:53 PM
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Re: Paying for Social Care.

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
That appears to be your consistent belief Todgy, but being a little
older than you l believe,nl can remember the mantra being at that
time that the NI deductions from our wage packets was dedicated to
paying for our pensions? There w!ere other dedicated deductions as
well, such as UIF and social club etc,do you remember those days??
when the boss had a social conscience?
Well nobody was supposed to touch those payments, not even
yourself ,untill you retired!!
And if you changed jobs the fund was transferred with you to the
new company !!
WHYwas it changed and who's idea was i t to change??
A perfect self regulating system totally transparent and functioing
effeciently? WHY change it??
Can you explain it to me??

Donkeyman! 🤔🤔
Yes, that was what was implied but never actually implemented. The weasel words were well crafted but the reality was as usual people read what they wanted to read in particular the credits "earned" being carried forward to future employers which while being perfectly true was in effect a paper exercise, no money ever changed hands for the simple reason that until "pension" age there WAS no money.

It was only on retirement that the years credits earned became a slice of the action which was then paid out of current account taxes per year.

Just another bit of Socialist sharp practice.
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27-07-2020, 03:01 PM
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Re: Paying for Social Care.

Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
More than a quarter of UK income tax is paid by one hundredth of UK income tax payers.
Yes, that figure is always trotted-out by the wealthy and their hangers-on to show how generous they are being to the rest of us.

However, it in no way reflects the actual earnings of that 1%, whose combined wealth, if taxed in proportion to its value, would deliver far more in revenue than it does.

Unless you yourself are stinking-rich, I see no reason to let that 1% off the hook - unless, of course, you want to pay more than your fair share of tax to make up the shortfall.

The situation in the USA - the home of happy free-enterprise - is even worse than the UK has become since the 1980s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTwPHuE_HrU

This Years Sunday Times Rich List showed starkly which political party in the Uk the wealthy propped-up - and it sure as hell wasn't the Labour Party.
 
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