02-08-2020, 07:35 AM
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Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Can't say I blame him.Germany owes about $148 billion in NATO contributions and has a massive trade surplus with unfair tarrifs with the USA
Go Trump !
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...inquent-386136
02-08-2020, 01:50 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by Bread
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Can't say I blame him.Germany owes about $148 billion in NATO contributions and has a massive trade surplus with unfair tarrifs with the USA
Go Trump !
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...inquent-386136
Trump has tied the reduction to Berlin’s failure to meet the non-binding NATO goal of spending 2 percent of GDP on defense.
Says it all really. Another foolish statement from the biggest clown around.
02-08-2020, 03:48 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
12,000 troops plus their families perhaps plus all the backroom people that keep the bases running going back to the States. That's an awful lot of dosh not being spent in the local shops and what have you so, that's a lot of local people going to feel the pinch.02-08-2020, 04:03 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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12,000 troops plus their families perhaps plus all the backroom people that keep the bases running going back to the States. That's an awful lot of dosh not being spent in the local shops and what have you so, that's a lot of local people going to feel the pinch.
02-08-2020, 04:34 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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12,000 troops plus their families perhaps plus all the backroom people that keep the bases running going back to the States. That's an awful lot of dosh not being spent in the local shops and what have you so, that's a lot of local people going to feel the pinch.
Certainly is ...
Russia will be pleased
03-08-2020, 03:55 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Trump's decision seems reasonable enough to meObviously most countries could not match The USA in actual monetary terms, but the agreement that they should pay the same proportion of their GDP, or however it's measured, puts them all on an even footing
We could all improve our economies if someone else pays for our defence, and Germany, and others, can't say they weren't warned this would happen
03-08-2020, 05:15 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by zuludog
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Trump's decision seems reasonable enough to meObviously most countries could not match The USA in actual monetary terms, but the agreement that they should pay the same proportion of their GDP, or however it's measured, puts them all on an even footing
We could all improve our economies if someone else pays for our defence, and Germany, and others, can't say they weren't warned this would happen
Trump as usual only tells less than half the truth. There is a contribution to nato budget, but that is to cover the organisation's administrative costs. There is no member state that is behind in paying their dues.The 2% each country should spent, is on their own defence force.
And as a beside, especially germany is loath to spent too much on their army. Accusations about german military agression have been made in the past. So they try to avoid that.
03-08-2020, 07:38 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by Solasch
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I agree, but as so often, trump jumps the gun. The 2% expenditure of gdp on defence was agreed in 2014. Agreed was countries would over time grow to that percentage and reach it by 2024. Trump as usual only tells less than half the truth. There is a contribution to nato budget, but that is to cover the organisation's administrative costs. There is no member state that is behind in paying their dues.The 2% each country should spent, is on their own defence force.
And as a beside, especially germany is loath to spent too much on their army. Accusations about german military agression have been made in the past. So they try to avoid that.
thank you for your interesting information. In my view you seem to be well informed about many things which some people here do not want to admit.
Anyway, chancellor Merkel recently mentioned, that there are sums being spent on e. g. border control, refugees and/or migraion which may be declared as defence costs. Therefore she thinks of paying these out of the defence budget which will increase our percentage of currently I think something like 1.25%.
It may be a question of what we define as defence costs and so we can come closer to the 2 percent.
03-08-2020, 07:46 PM
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Re: Trump Pulls 12000 Troops Out of Delinquent Germany
Originally Posted by 7779311
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Hi Solasch,thank you for your interesting information. In my view you seem to be well informed about many things which some people here do not want to admit.
Anyway, chancellor Merkel recently mentioned, that there are sums being spent on e. g. border control, refugees and/or migraion which may be declared as defence costs. Therefore she thinks of paying these out of the defence budget which will increase our percentage of currently I think something like 1.25%.
It may be a question of what we define as defence costs and so we can come closer to the 2 percent.
Inviting 1 million asylum seekers over to bomb buildings, stab people, drive trucks into crowds isn't what we had in mind when it comes to NATO spending.
Neither was the €10,000 each to send them home again.
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