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07-06-2019, 12:20 PM
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Re: This house believes

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Please do, I can rebut everything you say.

Halal Slaughter allows prestunning, the animal is unconscious.

Kosher does not, the animal is fully awake and lucid when it's throat is cut.

In Kosher slaughter of cattle, the terrified animal is turned upside down, eyes rolling and kicking in terror, then to have it's throat cut.

I have worked in Slaughterhouses, as an Inspector,in the early days of my career and have seen hundreds of animals subject to Kosher Slaughter.
thats awful, the poor animals
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07-06-2019, 12:27 PM
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I think kosher and Halal are both wrong.... as is fishing.
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07-06-2019, 12:39 PM
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Re: This house believes

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I think kosher and Halal are both wrong.... as is fishing.
Hi

By the same logic as fishing is wrong, keeping pets and horse riding is wrong.
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07-06-2019, 12:51 PM
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Re: This house believes

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By the same logic as fishing is wrong, keeping pets and horse riding is wrong.
Well may be depending on to what use a person puts their pets or horse to.

Not very many torture their pets, or horses while riding them - though horse racing is obscene, especially steeplechase races such as the Grand National.
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07-06-2019, 12:54 PM
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It is unnatural to put birds in cages.

It is unnatural for horses to be ridden.
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07-06-2019, 01:16 PM
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I have no objection to killing for food, and if we were all vegan those animals would never have been born.

My cats will kill mice they catch, but if those mice hadn't been caught eventually we would be overrun with them or they would die of starvation.

It is all about nature & survival of the fittest, so maybe the fish that get caught are not the fittest.

If a creature evolved that ate humans, maybe we would not be having worries about feeding ourselves, because there would be less of us & the weakest will have been eaten.

We can all have opinions on who should die & who shouldn't, but isn't it just life?
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07-06-2019, 01:20 PM
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I have no objection to killing for food, and if we were all vegan those animals would never have been born.

My cats will kill mice they catch, but if those mice hadn't been caught eventually we would be overrun with them or they would die of starvation.

It is all about nature & survival of the fittest, so maybe the fish that get caught are not the fittest.

If a creature evolved that ate humans, maybe we would not be having worries about feeding ourselves, because there would be less of us & the weakest will have been eaten.

We can all have opinions on who should die & who shouldn't, but isn't it just life?
It has always puzzled me why things are put on this earth to only be eaten by something else, just doesn't make any sense to me.

If a creature evolved that ate humans, omg can you imagine. Saying that though, there are cannibals here already!
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07-06-2019, 01:20 PM
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Re: This house believes

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Please do, I can rebut everything you say.

Halal Slaughter allows prestunning, the animal is unconscious.

Kosher does not, the animal is fully awake and lucid when it's throat is cut.

In Kosher slaughter of cattle, the terrified animal is turned upside down, eyes rolling and kicking in terror, then to have it's throat cut.

I have worked in Slaughterhouses, as an Inspector,in the early days of my career and have seen hundreds of animals subject to Kosher Slaughter.
Shackling and hoisting of beasts was insisted on --- in the USA in order to prevent the beast falling into blood.

Here a beast to be slaughterer for the kosher market must not be subjected to pain or distress and certainly not inverted.

Fact.

The dispatch of a beast by the shochet, a very highly trained slaughter man is strictly defined and very carefully conducted to ensure that the beast experiences the very least distress or discomfort and the time from start of cut to unconsciousness is a matter of seconds and because of the razor sharpness of the knife less than the feeling of pain to kick in.

Anyone who has experienced a cut from a very sharp blade knows that it usually takes a few seconds for the sensation to hit home after the cut.

Halal killing, that's a whole different matter. As long as there's an Inman or somewhere present any Tom Dick or Abdul can do the deed. There's not the same care taken over the blade nor how long the blade is. Unlike kosher slaughtering several cuts can be made to hack through the poor beasts neck. The very worst slaughtering that I EVER saw was the killing of sheep à la halal. Horrific doesn't even begin to describe it.
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07-06-2019, 01:33 PM
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Re: This house believes

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
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By the same logic as fishing is wrong, keeping pets and horse riding is wrong.
so we should not have teazle then???? She should be left to roam the streets and risk being hit by a car. You make me xxxxxxxx
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07-06-2019, 01:37 PM
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Re: This house believes

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
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By the same logic as fishing is wrong, keeping pets and horse riding is wrong.
I don't agree with horse riding either. I have pets but I don't stick hooks in their mouths and drag them around the house.
 
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