Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Yes, petitions are ignored, referenda are ignored, but what they can't ignore are general elections and by-elections.

We, the voters, still have our say albeit only once every five years.

My only worry is that many, perhaps most of the voters are easily led. We must keep discussing the matter publicly. Thank God that the internet has not yet been taken over by the elitists, as has the television and most newspapers.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Errrr about that . . . .


You realise I hope that the Lisbon Treaty which came in being 10 years ago in 2009 effectively abolished our ability to vote for UK political parties.

What we have today is just a smoke screen giving us the illusion that they all still exist. They are there purely to pacify us until the EU is finally willing to declare to the British public that Westminster is redundant and was abolished a long time ago.

The Lisbon Treaty states clearly that the will of citizens can only be expressed through European Level Parties which are parties that cover mulitple member states. None of our UK political parties qualify.

So this vote you believe is so precious is actually being taken away from you and you'll instead have to vote for one of these EU parties in future:


European People's Party (EPP)
Party of European Socialists (PES)
Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE)
European Green Party (EGP)
Alliance of European Conservatives and Reformists (AECR)
Party of the European Left (PEL)
Alliance for Direct Democracy in Europe (ADDE)
European Democratic Party (EDP)
European Free Alliance (EFA)
European Alliance for Freedom (EAF)
Alliance of European National Movements (AENM)
EUDemocrats (EUD)
European Christian Political Movement (ECPM)
Movement for a Europe of Nations and Freedom (MENF)



This is the reality coming to every UK citizen if we fail to come out of the EU. Your MPs have known about it for years, since the Treaty was signed. That's why they aren't bothering to work for the UK people anymore. They are working for the EU and jostling for position and status in the new EU world.


I ask you


How will voting for any of the above EU parties provide any means for you to shape the way the UK is run?

It is of course a total nonsense.

You are effectively losing your vote, you are effectively losing democracy itself, which is the enemy of the EU dictatorship.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Realist, I promise you, that before you have to vote on any these, you are long since six feet under the divots.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

10 years ago?

Strange! I didn't see any of those parties listed on my last two voting forms.

The last time I voted for the Conservatives and the time before that UKIP. The Conservatives won.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

This civil unrest you mention is child's play compared to the civil unrest in Northern Ireland and the Republic border towns if Brexit results in a hard border. Where leavers will be squaring up to the police, throwing barricades, bottles and anything else they can find, guns will be firing and bombs will be going off across the water.

But hey ho...we're just Republic and Northern Irish so who really cares.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

There isn't enough Catholics.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Religion has always been a phoney front for the troubles Bread. It has nothing to do with religion. It never had. It was just a convenient front and excuse for such violent behaviour from both sides. Believe me, they are going to be kicking seven shades of shit out of one another up North.

I lived in Dublin during the troubles, and it seemed endless. A desperately sad outcome if it comes to this.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

I very much doubt it.

Nobody is putting up a hard border ...

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

According to this, we in the UK are being held to ransom by the Irish - on both sides of the divide.

Considering that NI is a very small area compared to the mainland of Britain, I really don't think that keeping NI in the UK is worth it. I don't think losing NI to Dublin would affect us in the slightest.

We should invite them to join Eire and let them all sort out their problems without involving us.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

I think you're right. As far as I know, we have no intention of putting up a hard border. If there should be one, it will be at the demand of the EU and who gives a toss about them?