Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

I'm watching the Supreme Court and the Scottish case against prorogation, QC O'Neill acting on behalf of Joanna Chery, seems to be waffling .

Challenging would indicate that he feels it a legitimate position to be able to take the Executive to a higher level and for the Supreme Court to overrule the prorogation.

This is a privilege that UK has , and the way our constitution works.
Taking that into account, and Joanna Cherry (SNP)and Gina Miller are for underhandedly attempting to overturning Brexit, they are making it a political case , which is not what this case should be about.

With those points taken into consideration, why would
SNP MP's be happy to stay in the EU, when in the last day, Guy Verhofstadt has publicly stated that the EU will become a European Empire.

The definition of the word Empire means =
1) an extensive group of states or countries ruled over by a single monarch, an oligarchy, or a sovereign state.
2) a large commercial organization owned or controlled by one person or group.

SO, if they are so concerned about the legality of Prorogation in this instance and being able to make their case at the Supreme Court, why would they wish to give all of that away to the EU Empire that would most certainly take away any democracy that we have known ?

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Liberal Democrats want us to remain in the EU.
Why would any Briton want to be governed by a party who in turn wishes us all to be answerable to a government outside of the UK?
Why would anybody want to lose their birthright identity as a UK citizen and become a European?
Bunch of traitors.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

What role would the lib dems play in running our country if they were elected ?

A vote for them is a vote for someone else's government

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Surely she thinks that she will soak up many of the remainers, as Corbyn does not seem to spot that, she thinks those Remainers will see it as the only party to go for.

Add to that the fact (she probably thinks) that the Brexiteers will be splitting their votes between the Tories & Nigel, and you can begin to see a possible (but hopefully unlikely) surprise.

Letting all those defectors join may not do her any favours, though!

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

That's right. They might as well all be German already

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

But there has to be some way of checking goods brought into Northern Ireland from Southern Ireland if Northern Ireland is no longer part of the E.U. By virtue of the U.K leaving the E.U a border is a side effect in a Hard Brexit scenario. It's unavoidable. The EU don't want a hard border and it was the UK who voted to leave.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

I'm not sure Ireland would accept the offer to be honest. It costs the UK something in the region of 9 billion a year to fund Northern Ireland. Irish tax payers are not going to be into that idea.

Both scenarios will lead to bloodshed. The Irish border is like an impossible puzzle which is why in the 3 years since the referendum there has been no solution. If the UK leave the EU the only solution is the backstop, but the DUP won't have that - hence the endless deadlock.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Your entry ports are already going to be under immense pressure. Adding to it is not going to be a workable solution.

Also, abolishing the common travel area is not anywhere near as simple as you regard it to be. It's a legally binding agreement. Let's say however that it is as simple as abolishing it, you would then be distinctly separating rules for Northern Ireland and the UK which the DUP will not accept.

It really isn't a simple situation which is why it has taken this long. Every time there is some sort of solution, the negative side effects either stop that solution pushing forward, or the DUP stand in the way and say 'absolutely no way'.

This is why I have mentioned in a previous post that it's an impossible puzzle. Remaining (which I know a lot of people are against and I respect that) is the only solution to the Northern Ireland problem.

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

Perhaps the lrish could learn to love each other Spud?
Then they could reunite! NO need for eu backstop??
Regards Donkeyman!!

Re: LibDems want to revoke Article 50.

It emerged earlier in the day that during the lunch meeting Johnson had expressed surprise to his advisers when he was informed about the scale of checks that would still be needed on the island of Ireland under a plan the government has mooted for the Irish border.

The two-hour lunch preceded*Johnson’s humiliation at the hands of Luxembourg’s prime minister, Xavier Bettel, when he failed to attend a press conference due to anti-Brexit protests.

EU officials said the advantage for them had been in being able to spell out the problems directly to the prime minister. “It seems to have helped the penny drop,” said one diplomatic source.

During talks with Juncker and the EU’s chief negotiator,*Michel Barnier, the prime minister was shown in detail how allowing Northern Ireland to stick to common EU rules on food and livestock, known as sanitary and phytosanitary measures (SPS),*would still fail to avoid checks on the vast majority of goods that cross the Irish border.

Downing Street has described as “nonsense” a report in the Financial Times that Johnson turned to his chief negotiator, David Frost, and the*Brexit*secretary, Stephen Barclay, and said: “So you’re telling me the SPS plan doesn’t solve the customs problem?”

But senior EU sources confirmed that Johnson had expressed surprise during the lunch at the complexity of the situation, and that it appeared to have been a “bit of a reality check to hear it from EU officials”.

Sources said it was not the case that Johnson had failed to understand the role of the shared customs territory in the Irish backstop but that it was the scale of checks that would still be necessary without such an arrangement that appeared to hit home.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-checks-brexit