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21-09-2019, 01:59 PM
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Re: Meanwhile in the Eurozone ...

Originally Posted by JBR ->
Ignoring all the 'ins and outs' for the moment, the overall impression I get is that, despite their insistence that the UK should 'just leave', the EU dictators and bureaucrats still seem to be going to a lot of trouble to persuade us to ask for an extension!

If they can't achieve May's BRINO deal (which is, after all, what they themselves put together) their next aim is to keep us in by 'granting' extensions indefinitely and, at the same time, continuing to rake in our 'membership fees' to support their failing economy.

That is, to be honest, is the only real reason they want us to remain a member.
All the reasons why you not simply leave are of UK making.
The EU will grant every extension if possible. They don't want to take the blame for the consequences of a no deal brexit. That in itself should tell you something.
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21-09-2019, 02:18 PM
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Re: Meanwhile in the Eurozone ...

Originally Posted by JBR ->
If they can't achieve May's BRINO deal (which is, after all, what they themselves put together) their next aim is to keep us in by 'granting' extensions indefinitely and, at the same time, continuing to rake in our 'membership fees' to support their failing economy.

That is, to be honest, is the only real reason they want us to remain a member.
For 2019 the EU budget is 166 bn €. The UK contributed "only" 11bn £. This year the new long term budget (2020-2026) was set on the assumtion that you left in 2019. So for the financial grandmasters of the EU you are already out. Your contribution has been excluded and there is simply a new budget.
Do you have any idea of the amount of work (and money) it will cost the do that again in case the UK stays any longer? Internally there are factions at work that want you out as soon as possible. Your lingering about upsets the normal work scheme for both civil administrators and political directors.
You totally misjudge the worth of the UK contribution to the EU, both financially and otherwise.
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21-09-2019, 02:48 PM
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Re: Meanwhile in the Eurozone ...

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Not the car parts debate again.
Car parts are a small part of Germany's exposure to the UK.

I work in construction and everything from ironmongry to kitchen work tops to pre-fabricated glazing units to roofing materials and much, much more is imported from Germany.

Every sector of our economy uses German built products.

Turn off the tap and Germany will die of thirst......We'll just source products elsewhere!
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21-09-2019, 02:50 PM
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Re: Meanwhile in the Eurozone ...

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
All the reasons why you not simply leave are of UK making.
The EU will grant every extension if possible. They don't want to take the blame for the consequences of a no deal brexit. That in itself should tell you something.
The only reason for the EU to grant (!) an extension is so they can contunue to meddle in UK politics hoping for a revoking of A50 by a different Govt.........

Ain't gonna happen!
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21-09-2019, 02:57 PM
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Re: Meanwhile in the Eurozone ...

Originally Posted by Moscow ->
The only reason for the EU to grant (!) an extension is so they can contunue to meddle in UK politics
Perhaps, but we are not very good at it. E.g. we are keeping nigel farage here in eu-parliament so he can't do harm in your HoC. Turns out you voted him out of that seven times yourself. We needn't have worried.
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21-09-2019, 07:25 PM
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Re: Meanwhile in the Eurozone ...

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Perhaps, but we are not very good at it. E.g. we are keeping nigel farage here in eu-parliament so he can't do harm in your HoC. Turns out you voted him out of that seven times yourself. We needn't have worried.

Fantasy land ....

Cuckoo.... cuckoo
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21-09-2019, 07:28 PM
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Re: Meanwhile in the Eurozone ...

Originally Posted by Moscow ->
Car parts are a small part of Germany's exposure to the UK.

I work in construction and everything from ironmongry to kitchen work tops to pre-fabricated glazing units to roofing materials and much, much more is imported from Germany.

Every sector of our economy uses German built products.

Turn off the tap and Germany will die of thirst......We'll just source products elsewhere!

Yeah you're absolutely right.

The 100 billion trade deficit the UK has can't be replaced by the broken economies of the EU. Germany in recession means the 26 other countries will suffer greatly. The EU is a graveyard of economic and political failure.

Out we go !
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21-09-2019, 08:13 PM
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Re: Meanwhile in the Eurozone ...

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Yeah you're absolutely right.

The 100 billion trade deficit the UK has can't be replaced by the broken economies of the EU. Germany in recession means the 26 other countries will suffer greatly. The EU is a graveyard of economic and political failure.

Out we go !
We will still keep on buying from Germany and the E.U. where our infrastructure and industry is reliant on German and Zezinho products

The EU will do likewise but may encourage companies to relocate if the EU is their largest market
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21-09-2019, 08:44 PM
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Re: Meanwhile in the Eurozone ...

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
We will still keep on buying from Germany and the E.U. where our infrastructure and industry is reliant on German and Zezinho products

The EU will do likewise but may encourage companies to relocate if the EU is their largest market

Our biggest market is outside the EU and it continues to go that way

The UK outside the EU will not be bailing it out either. Not again.

Out we go !
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21-09-2019, 09:01 PM
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Re: Meanwhile in the Eurozone ...

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
We will still keep on buying from Germany and the E.U. where our infrastructure and industry is reliant on German and Zezinho products

The EU will do likewise but may encourage companies to relocate if the EU is their largest market
From a continental perspective, about 55% of UK exports by value were delivered to fellow European trade partners (that percentage compares with 46.6% going to European Union members). Another 24.1% was sold to Asian importers while the United Kingdom shipped 15.3% worth to North America.
Smaller percentages went to Africa (2.3%), Oceania (1.5%) led by Australia and New Zealand then Latin America (1.3%) excluding Mexico but including the Caribbean.

This table over 2017 tells the same story.


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