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Well that's not very reassuring .... especially the allegation of using an experimental drug to treat a meningitis outbreak in Nigeria in 1996.

https://www.worldpress.org/Africa/1190.cfm

This new vaccine has been suitably 'speed' tested has it?
Think I'll be happy at the back of the queue so I can see the effects on the first guinea pigs.
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This is a really good article giving details of logistics and storage of the pfizer vaccine in the US : https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/h...al/5712053002/
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Well that's not very reassuring .... especially the allegation of using an experimental drug to treat a meningitis outbreak in Nigeria in 1996.

https://www.worldpress.org/Africa/1190.cfm

This new vaccine has been suitably 'speed' tested has it?
Think I'll be happy at the back of the queue so I can see the effects on the first guinea pigs.
Pfizer has merged with a zillion companies since this was written..
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Nobody knows how long the vaccine might give protection as it is a new era to all. We just have to hope they come up with something suitable for us.

Yes, I suppose so Mags.
I suppose they don't know if we will still be immune after a year until it has been used for a year.
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If they do manage to vaccinate 20m people this will slow down the virus sufficiently even if just for a few months to help us back to a more normal life. It reduces the number of hosts that the virus can use to reproduce. The less a virus can jump from host to host the less chance it has to mutate.

Once we have mass vaccination we should have robust control of our borders because there will be a large number of countries in the world where vaccination is limited or impossible. I'm not so sure they have thought that far ahead.
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If they do manage to vaccinate 20m people this will slow down the virus sufficiently even if just for a few months to help us back to a more normal life. It reduces the number of hosts that the virus can use to reproduce. The less a virus can jump from host to host the less chance it has to mutate.

Once we have mass vaccination we should have robust control of our borders because there will be a large number of countries in the world where vaccination is limited or impossible. I'm not so sure they have thought that far ahead.


Yes, that makes sense Annie.
What about compulsory vaccination for immigrants too, else we will back to square one again.

They don't let puppies go abroad/enter, without Rabies vaccs, so why humans without Corvid jabs?
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Yes, that makes sense Annie.
What about compulsory vaccination for immigrants too, else we will back to square one again.

They don't let puppies go abroad/enter, without Rabies vaccs, so why humans without Corvid jabs?
I read Merkel is now talking tightening of the EU border. But that's more about terrorism.
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This is a really good article giving details of logistics and storage of the pfizer vaccine in the US : https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/h...al/5712053002/
In the UK:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54889084 (extracts)

It cannot be removed from a temperature of -70C (-94F) more than FOUR times.

In its own disclosure notice, Pfizer acknowledges there are "challenges related to our vaccine candidate's ultra-low temperature formulation and attendant storage, distribution and administration requirements".

The vaccine will be distributed from Pfizer centres in the US, Germany and Belgium. It will need to travel both on land and by air, face potential storage in distribution centres in between stages and the final hurdle will be local delivery to clinics, surgeries, pharmacies, hospitals - anywhere the vaccine will be administered.

As revealed by the Wall Street Journal, Pfizer has developed a special transport box the size of a suitcase, packed with dry ice and installed with GPS trackers, which can keep up to 5,000 doses of the vaccine at the right temperature for 10 days, as long as it remains unopened. The boxes are also reusable.

The box is not likely to be cheap. Head of sales Paul Harrison says a standard chilled transport box, which will retain a temperature of up to -8C (not -80C) for five days and is big enough to hold 1,200 vaccines, costs about £5,000 per unit - although they can be re-used thousands of times.

The vaccine can survive for a further FIVE days once thawed, Pfizer has said, but this does not buy a great deal of extra time.

Public Health England says that in the UK "national preparations" are under way regarding both central storage and distribution of the vaccine across the country, but declines to give details.

As it stands, extreme cold storage is certainly not commonplace, and your local GP is unlikely to have it.

Some institutions, such as universities and research labs, do have the right storage capacity. In the UK, universities shared resources at the height of the first wave of the pandemic, including PPE-making equipment and ventilators.
Inevitably, contracts will be given to large private-sector hauliers with links to the current Tory government - big bucks for buddies .....
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
If they do manage to vaccinate 20m people this will slow down the virus sufficiently even if just for a few months to help us back to a more normal life. It reduces the number of hosts that the virus can use to reproduce. The less a virus can jump from host to host the less chance it has to mutate.

Once we have mass vaccination we should have robust control of our borders because there will be a large number of countries in the world where vaccination is limited or impossible. I'm not so sure they have thought that far ahead.
And that's exactly what happens when enough people have caught the virus and recovered Annie. That's why Lockdown has increased the virus's longevity. If this was not the case, the human race would have perished a long time ago. The human body has the tools to protect itself from viral and bacterial attack, only the sick and elderly should need protection.
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And that's exactly what happens when enough people have caught the virus and recovered Annie. That's why Lockdown has increased the virus's longevity. If this was not the case, the human race would have perished a long time ago. The human body has the tools to protect itself from viral and bacterial attack, only the sick and elderly should need protection.
It's not exactly the same at all. You don't contract the sickness from the vaccine. The virus can mutate faster when it spreads like wildfire through a population. Particularly when it jumps to animals then back.
 
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