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19-11-2018, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Sailor ->
Whatever happened to the much-lauded British backbone? The Junkers, Merkel’s, Macron’s and Tusk’s are just as scared of losing their positions over this Brexit debacle as any British MP within our government. So 27 nations are opposing our intentions to leave, but we should only concern ourselves with the main protagonists who are Germany, France, and Poland. The remainder are inconsequentially divided with their individual political concerns as to be unimportant at this stage.

Angela Merkel’s tenure is almost at an end and Macron’s political future is questionable at best. Best we zero in on these two to achieve what kind of a result we want by some serious opposition to their frequent demands and fear campaigns. Theresa May has weathered a political turmoil, not always of her own making over the entire process, but there is no disputing that deep down she would prefer remaining within the EU. For this, we need a real leader whose heart is firmly behind a Brexit strategy that will work to the advantage of the UK as a complete entity.

It is time to get the appropriate leader and negotiating team in place to start playing the down and dirty politics the EU employs. Start by making emphatic demands rather than proffering appeasement gestures and unnecessary compromises. The present situation with its total lack of purpose, objectivity, and progress is making us the laughing stock of the world. These people are not our friends; their only interest is in the £ 40 billion they expect to receive at the final reckoning, although there are no legal grounds for their monetary demands. There may be moral ones but nothing enforceable. There should be no talk of money until all our requirements are satisfactorily met and agreed.

Our government needs to grow some spine by letting the EU know we are united and resolute in what we want and cannot be dictated to by a jumped up totalitarian regime. Let loose the dogs of verbal war around that negotiating table and watch them fold as they always have done when confronted by the British spirit of our past. Cometh the man or woman of the moment – who will it, be?

As that cow Thatcher said once, his backbone doesn't reach his brain.

The same goes for brexit nutters.
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19-11-2018, 11:39 AM
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It's all Jeremy Corbyn's fault, he buys his pants on line from Indonesian sweatshops.
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19-11-2018, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
It's not going to happen Swim. You're a well educated and informed man. I don't believe you are so naïve as to believe they will ever allow us out of the EU.

Just ain't gonna happen.

We are all going to see that democracy does not really exist.

We are going to witness an immense side show that tries its level best to convince people why we aren't leaving the EU in any real sense and tries to pacify us. When it happens remember this. It's going to be entertaining, but the net result is the Common Purpose collective that put us into the EU in the first place, by stealth, working silently behind closed doors, never giving the populous a referendum on the matter, spanning 40 years, are not about to simply let go of all that work.

All that will happen is they will make an incredible effort (as they already are doing on social media everywhere) to spin an incredible yarn about how good it is to put in place what will be a total fudge, just like May is attempting to do.

The people are NOT going to get what they wanted, what they voted for and thereby will we know categorically that democracy is an illusion, that we actually live in a dictatorship cleverly disguised as democracy and that the second world war only won a battle whereas the greater war happened by stealth, by freemasons and common purpose stooges infesting every level of our society and taking control and thereby assimilating our country into the One World Government they have sought for so long. The British nationality and indeed the very concept of nationality has to be utterly destroyed for them to achieve their end. We have to be "neutered" into "nothing people" and thus mixed with millions of other "nothing people" to become a nothing nation, which is why all the floods of immigrants is happening.

This is a massive very long standing agenda. These people are not about to give it all up. They will not allow us out of the EU in any real sense.
I agree!

If I now look back at the entire process, since the Out Vote Won, you can see the various government tactics which have, slowly but surely, brought about boredom, with the whole thing, fear of the "OUT"come, the hiding of details of what is on offer (nothing), the changing of words (What happened to Out Means Out?).

All of this appears not to be accidental, it has to have been a considered plan to wreck Brexit.

No plans for getting out?

No surprise there!

Democracy?

That would be a joke...but it is not funny!
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19-11-2018, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by itsme ->
As that cow Thatcher said once, his backbone doesn't reach his brain.

The same goes for brexit nutters.
Well I'd suggest leavers are the only ones with a back bone and brave enough to take a leap. It's remainers generally too scared to leave the embrace of The EU.
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19-11-2018, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
Well I'd suggest leavers are the only ones with a back bone and brave enough to take a leap. It's remainers generally too scared to leave the embrace of The EU.

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know.
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19-11-2018, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by itsme ->
Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know.
I'd rather take a chance on no devil at all and try and get this country back on a more democratic pathway.
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19-11-2018, 01:27 PM
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I was just watching May speaking to business people, she mentioned leaving the European Court, does that mean the Government can do whatever they like, treat disabled and poor even worse than they do now and change voting practices to keep themselves in power without any control?
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19-11-2018, 01:35 PM
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I was just watching May speaking to business people, she mentioned leaving the European Court, does that mean the Government can do whatever they like, treat disabled and poor even worse than they do now and change voting practices to keep themselves in power without any control?
In a word , yes.
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19-11-2018, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TessA ->
I was just watching May speaking to business people, she mentioned leaving the European Court, does that mean the Government can do whatever they like, treat disabled and poor even worse than they do now and change voting practices to keep themselves in power without any control?

No Tessa darlin', those are DOMESTIC legislation, not affected by the ECJ, unless an issue arises which our domestic courts are unable to deal with and refer the matter to the ECJ.
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19-11-2018, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Joe ->
No Tessa darlin', those are DOMESTIC legislation, not affected by the ECJ, unless an issue arises which our domestic courts are unable to deal with and refer the matter to the ECJ.
Yes it's sad remainers try to scare everyone with that one.
 
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