25-07-2021, 12:22 PM
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Re: Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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I would like to Dex, but it would just provoke people to rubbish and discredit my sources, and quite frankly I don't care if people believe me or not....
Would still like to read your sources though.
25-07-2021, 12:23 PM
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https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/A further 31,795 confirmed cases in the UK were announced by the government on Saturday .....
That's 286,863 in the last 7 days .....
Deaths and hospitalisations rising:
Deaths within 28 days of positive test
Daily 86 Last 7 days 447
Patients admitted
Latest daily 917
Patients in hospital
Latest available 5,490
Patients on ventilation
Latest available 699
25-07-2021, 12:27 PM
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Re: Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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Has it soaked in yet that we are all been had.....
Strange that there are no figures suggesting how many vaccinated people there are in hospitals.
No vaccinated people are currently in hospital with covid, or at least you can count them on one hand......However! There are literally thousands of vaccinated people in hospital with unrelated illnesses.....
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...er-2021-07-19/
60% of people being admitted to UK hospitals are unvaccinated - adviser
Vallance earlier said at a news conference with Prime Minister Boris Johnson that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of vaccine.
"Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference," Vallance said on Twitter. "About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."
Rates of double-jabbed people in hospital will grow – but that does not mean Covid vaccines are failing
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...es-are-failing
25-07-2021, 12:35 PM
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Re: Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
Originally Posted by Pixie Knuckles
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I noticed in yesterdays news that scientists are worried now about the "new" Gamma variant from Russia, and this allegedly renders the vaccines we have all been advised to get, ineffective. so does this mean MORE vaccinations, or what?
Gamma coronavirus variant detected in Russia, Ifax reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ts-2021-07-22/
Russia faces a surge in coronavirus cases that authorities have blamed on the Delta variant and the slow rate of vaccinations. On Thursday, Russia reported 24,471 new COVID-19 cases and 796 deaths related to coronavirus in the last 24 hours.
EpiVacCorona, Russia's second of four vaccines to be registered, was developed by the Vector Institute in Siberia. Sputnik V is Russia's flagship vaccine.
"The Delta variant is widespread on the territory of the Russian Federation, with isolated cases of the Gamma variant detected," Interfax cited the institute as saying.
The institute said the Delta and Gamma variants were categorised as "causing concern" because they spread more easily and can reduce the effectiveness of antibodies.
This article is relevant:
Is UK now a breeding ground for new variants?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57941574
So far, the problematic variants have been those that spread significantly faster. The Delta variant, which was first identified in India, may spread twice as fast as the original form of the virus that emerged in China.
But speed isn't the only useful trait a coronavirus can acquire.
As more of us become immune, through vaccination and catching Covid, the more beneficial it is for the virus to evolve ways of dodging that immunity - known as immune escape.
"We are probably at the evolutionary high point, at the worst combination for an escape to happen in the UK," said Dr Aris Katzourakis, who studies viral evolution at the University of Oxford.
"The UK is in a prone position, whether it will happen we don't know, but it's more likely to happen here, now, than ever before."
25-07-2021, 12:46 PM
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All these figures are totally confusing to me.For example, 60% of people being admitted to hospital were unvaccinated; so 40% were vaccinated. So what does this imply? Nothing is said about why they were admitted to hospital, so surely infection or the effects of Covid may be completely incidental!
All of these 'variants' coming from different parts of the world, apparently some are more infectious than others, means little to me. How do I know which variant I have been infected with, especially if there are no symptoms?
I could go on, but it sounds to me that no-one really has a clue about anything especially our politicians who, presumably to cover their backs, are playing it safe and telling us all to assume the worst just in case!
I prefer not to take any notice at all and carry on as I always have done: simply behaving sensibly (distancing and avoiding) and wearing a mask if it is demanded in certain places.
25-07-2021, 12:48 PM
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Re: Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
Originally Posted by Pixie Knuckles
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Thanks Omah, I suppose we will have to wait and see, eh?
https://www.over50sforum.com/showthread.php?t=76546
25-07-2021, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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All these figures are totally confusing to me.For example, 60% of people being admitted to hospital were unvaccinated; so 40% were vaccinated. So what does this imply? Nothing is said about why they were admitted to hospital, so surely infection or the effects of Covid may be completely incidental!
Earlier, Sir Patrick Vallance told a news briefing that figure was for double-jabbed people. But he later corrected himself on Twitter, saying the original statistic was false.
He posted: "Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference today, 19 July.
"About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double-vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."
25-07-2021, 01:18 PM
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Re: Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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Has it soaked in yet that we are all been had.....Strange that there are no figures suggesting how many vaccinated people there are in hospitals.
No vaccinated people are currently in hospital with covid, or at least you can count them on one hand......However! There are literally thousands of vaccinated people in hospital with unrelated illnesses.....
25-07-2021, 02:28 PM
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Re: Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
Originally Posted by Pixie Knuckles
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I noticed in yesterdays news that scientists are worried now about the "new" Gamma variant from Russia, and this allegedly renders the vaccines we have all been advised to get, ineffective. so does this mean MORE vaccinations, or what?
It's entirely possible that we could see new variants pop up for years yet - probable even.
This is another reason that we should all be extremely grateful for living where we do and (& here I will await the howls of protest even though what follows is true) for Boris & our government having the foresight to adequately fund our own VMIC as well as other researchers such as with the Oxford/AZ collaboration and other pharma companies too so that we will remain at the forefront of the battle against covid, new variants/strains and indeed future viral threats.
That isn't some rose-tinted or doe-eyed praise but rather plain & simple fact and while I freely admit that our overall handling of Covid has not exactly been what we could describe as "exemplary", regarding vaccines at least we as a country are extremely fortunate.
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