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UK-based airlines told to move to Europe after Brexit or lose major routes

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EU chiefs have warned airlines including easyJet, Ryanair and British Airways that they will need to relocate their headquarters and sell off shares to European nationals if they want to continue flying routes within continental Europe after Brexit.

Executives at major carriers have been reminded during recent private meetings with officials that to continue to operate on routes across the continent – for instance, from Milan to Paris – they must have a significant base on EU territory and that a majority of their capital shares must be EU-owned.

The development, coming days before the triggering of article 50, potentially makes it more likely that the carriers will act to restructure, with economic consequences for the UK, including a loss of jobs.

The tough line from the EU may encourage the UK to reciprocate with its own nationality rules, which would leave EU-owned airlines facing equally difficult choices, potentially dampening their investment in the UK in the short term, although some may seek in time to establish their own British subsidiaries.

The ability of companies such as easyJet to operate on routes across the EU has been a major part of their business models, and there may be a renewed willingness among airlines to invest outside the UK to maintain market share.

Some airlines have already started to seek alternative headquarters, and to examine how they might ensure that their shareholding is majority-EU owned, possibly through the forced disinvesting of British shareholders.

But others have appeared, until now, to hold out hope that the European commission would be flexible on the rules in the current aviation agreement.


EU officials in the meetings were clear, however, about the rigidity of the rules, amid concerns at a senior EU level that too many in the aviation industry are in denial about the consequences of the UK’s decision to leave the bloc.

Representatives from easyJet, along with the British Airways owner IAG, Ryanair and the Tui Group, whose portfolio of airlines includes Thomson, met the EU’s Brexit taskforce last week. That followed a meeting the previous week between the taskforce and executives from Air France-KLM, Finnair, Lufthansa and SAS, as part of the EU’s efforts to engage with stakeholders.

Thomas van der Wijngaart, an aviation expert at the legal firm Clyde & Co, told the Guardian there could be significant economic consequences for the UK with airlines changing their financial and operating structures, and building a stronger presence on the continent.

“It might be that carriers choose to have domestic flights [on the continent] operated by their new European operating licence, which would probably mean a reduction in staff in the UK,” he warned.

Britain is a member of an aviation agreement based on 35 shared pieces of EU legislation, a common regulator in the European Aviation Safety Agency, and a court acting as a referee on the shared rules, the European court of justice (ECJ).

However, asked during a select committee hearing last week whether the UK would continue to be part of the “open-skies” agreement after Brexit, the secretary of state for exiting the EU, David Davis, said: “Not that agreement ... One would presume that would not apply to us – doesn’t say anything about whether there would be a successor.”

The industry holds out hope that the UK and the EU will be able to seal an early deal during article 50 negotiations that ensures that damage to the industry is limited.

However a hurdle on progress on a new agreement is Theresa May’s intention to remove the UK from the ECJ’s jurisdiction, which currently has the key role in adjudicating over conflicts between parties to the agreement.

A number of member states may also have interests in standing in the way of Britain’s attempts to strike a new deal. Spanish diplomats, for example, say they will not sign any international aviation agreement that recognises the airport on Gibraltar.

The UK could react to the imposition of EU ownership rules on airlines by developing ownership rules of its own, which could prevent carriers such as the Ireland-based Ryanair from flying UK domestic routes, as it does today.

EasyJet is establishing an EU operating company – on which an announcement is expected within weeks – so that it can obtain an EU air operating certificate. The company insists, however, it will continue to be headquartered in the UK.

It is currently 84%-owned by EU nationals, but this will drop to 49% after Brexit, provided the shares of founder Stelios Haji-Ioannou – who has dual UK and Cypriot nationality – are classed as EU-owned.

The Financial Times has reported that Haji-Ioannou’s shares are now classed as UK-owned to meet the airline’s own restrictions on ownership.

An easyJet spokesman said: “Like other European airlines, easyJet regularly engages with the UK and the EU on a wide range of issues which include the impact of Brexit on aviation. As this was a private meeting, we wouldn’t comment further on what was discussed.”

It has been reported that 60% of Dublin-registered Ryanair’s capital shares are owned by EU nationals, but this will be reduced to 40% once UK shareholders are excluded.

A spokesman for the airline said the company would “adapt”. However, the airline’s chief executive officer, Michael O’Leary, has already warned of the huge dangers to the industry of a “cliff-edge” Brexit, and criticised the “mildly lunatic optimism” of the British government.

A Ryanair spokesman said: “While it appears that we are heading for a hard Brexit, there is still significant uncertainty in relation to what exactly this will entail. This uncertainty will continue to represent a challenge for our business for the remainder of financial year 17 and financial year 18.”
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22-03-2017, 12:07 PM
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Re: UK-based airlines told to move to Europe after Brexit or lose major routes

I can't see what they can do to stop any business basing themselves where ever they wish, arrogance of highest order to try.
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Hi

Yes, Open Skies, not just the EU Routes though, Open Skies agreements are with the EU, not the UK, so affects routes to the Americas and Middle and far East as well.

As for Spain and it's stupid threats about Gibraltar, they had better think first.

We have an answer to that.

We do exactly the same to the Canaries, which is enormously dependant on British Tourism and Ex Pats.

It is the sort of stupidity we are being threatened with, stupid for all concerned.
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Re: UK-based airlines told to move to Europe after Brexit or lose major routes

Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
I can't see what they can do to stop any business basing themselves where ever they wish, arrogance of highest order to try.
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Unfortunately they can Julie and what is more they already are.

Banks and Insurers etc are not covered by WTO Rules, the French, German and Irish are already here taking companies headquarters and therefore Tax Revenues to the EU.

The EU has already stated that they will not licence them.
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22-03-2017, 12:39 PM
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More nasty tricks and threats from the EU.
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22-03-2017, 12:55 PM
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Re: UK-based airlines told to move to Europe after Brexit or lose major routes

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Unfortunately they can Julie and what is more they already are.

Banks and Insurers etc are not covered by WTO Rules, the French, German and Irish are already here taking companies headquarters and therefore Tax Revenues to the EU.

The EU has already stated that they will not licence them.
How Eu treats us reflects back on them, it's going to be a rough ride but I can't imagine anyone actually liking eu over all this.
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22-03-2017, 01:50 PM
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In most other walks of life this would be called "blackmail" punishable by up to 14 years in jail.
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In most other walks of life this would be called "blackmail" punishable by up to 14 years in jail.
Well I've long said the Eu is a protection racket not a trade zone.
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Well I've long said the Eu is a protection racket not a trade zone.
And I wouldn't disagree.
I would drop the protection.
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22-03-2017, 02:41 PM
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There will be more to come that will raise many an eyebrow in disbelief at such audacity. Hopefully, Theresa May and her team will not be browbeaten by such utter crap threats and hold their own in these talks. It's all hype, more scare stories will no doubt emerge from under their stone. We, on the other hand, will act with decorum and respect expected from the British, before sticking the knife up em!!
 
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