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13-01-2019, 04:15 PM
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Talk is cheap. I doubt very much that a critical mass of protesters will be reached, when push comes to shove.
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13-01-2019, 04:19 PM
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[QUOTE=Meg;1614946]I am not so sure this time, a majority of us voted to get out of the EU and I have heard whisperings out here in shires from the country folk that if our vote is ignored there could be civil disobedience like withholding taxes and community charges.
There is plenty of good old farmyard muck here too that could find its way onto the doorsteps of politicians and even into parliament.[/QUOTE]

Oh, that's a great idea isn't it coming from a so called supervisor.
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13-01-2019, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
As usual, Tony Parsons column in the Sun on Sunday hits the nail on the head. Just been reading his take on the traitors trying to destroy Brexit by any means possible. Judge for yourselves,

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The British people are starting to realise the fix is in.
Brexit looks like it is never going to happen because the British establishment are simply not going to allow it.

Brexit will be blocked by a majority in the House of Commons, our elected representatives, who smile, bow, scrape and promise us anything and lie through their teeth when they want our vote.

And it will be blocked by the House of Lords, the Civil Service and by every living ex-Prime Minister, including Tony Blair, the bottom of the sewer, whose treacherous collaboration with a hostile foreign force would have seen him banged up in wartime.

And it will be blocked by the Labour Party, former defenders of the working man, erstwhile
Champions of the working class, who now view all Labour supporters who voted for Brexit as thick, racist bigots.

And Brexit will be crippled by the BBC, our licence-funded state broadcaster, which can never quite stop the anti-Brexit sneers from breaking through.
Can you imagine sitting in the canteen at Broadcasting House and revealing that you had voted for Brexit? They would all choke on their avocado focaccia.

And Brexit will be blocked by the great embodiment of British fair play and neutrality - John Bercow, the House of Commons Speaker, who probably has “Bollox to Brexit” tattooed on his flabby little buttocks.

It is a powerful coalition! The full might of the British establishment has joined forces to overthrow the biggest democratic vote in our history. Together, they have strived to stop this country becoming truly independent once more. They have fought with the passion of true, eye-swivelling believers to keep us shackled to Brussels.

And if Theresa May sees her deal voted down on Tuesday - and it looks like she is on course to suffer a defeat of historic proportions - they will take a great leap forward to achieving their goal.
Oh, it will be dressed up and prettified to pretend that democracy still functions in this country. There will be much prattle about “going back to the people” with another referendum. There will be talk about a “delay” in leaving the EU. It will all be meaningless flannel.

The British elite wants to keep us inside the European Union. They are succeeding. Jolly well done, chaps.

Never mind that a British Prime Minister, the coward David Cameron, looked us in the eye and told us our decision in the referendum was final.
Never mind that the overwhelming majority of MP’s in the House of Commons voted to trigger Article 50 and take us out of the EU.
Never mind that at the General Election, both the major political parties stood on manifestos that promised to honour the result of the referendum.
Lies. Lies. Lies.

Parliament is breaking with the people. Brexit is being stopped by the elite.
The masters are taking back control of a people’s rebellion.
But should we all reflect for a moment on the consequences of Parliament’s break with the people?

There is currently no platform for political extremists in this country, not the way that there is in European nations such as Germany, Spain, France and Greece.
Historically, the British have never cared for the looney fringe extremism that has flourished - and frequently ruled - in other European nations.
But I fear the democracy deniers of the British establishment are creating the perfect conditions for the rise of the nutters.

WE DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN THAT KIND OF COUNTRY.

There were ugly scenes outside Westminster this week, Name calling, bullying and aggression. All of us should be striving to see it does not get far worse.
The 17.4 million who voted for Brexit are not - and never have been - the knuckle-dragging morons of myth. Deny Brexit and they will not suddenly become violent thugs. But there are lunatics on the margins of our society who will feel enabled by an arrogant establishment recklessly and openly breaking with the democratic will of the British people.

How can you not fear for our country’s future?

Unquote

Good article. I know Remain supporters will let it go in one ear and out of the other.
But to those of us who believe in democracy in its entirety, Tony Parsons could not have put it any better.


I too fear what may be to come. Democracy is too precious to have it taken away without consequences.

What are your views on this?

My views would have said il never vote again but actually no ... I will without doubt now vote for labour at every opportunity as paypack to the spoilt brat remainers and laugh for 5 years as we really go down the tubes
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
As usual, Tony Parsons column in the Sun on Sunday hits the nail on the head. Just been reading his take on the traitors trying to destroy Brexit by any means possible. Judge for yourselves,

Quote

The British people are starting to realise the fix is in.
Brexit looks like it is never going to happen because the British establishment are simply not going to allow it.

Brexit will be blocked by a majority in the House of Commons, our elected representatives, who smile, bow, scrape and promise us anything and lie through their teeth when they want our vote.

And it will be blocked by the House of Lords, the Civil Service and by every living ex-Prime Minister, including Tony Blair, the bottom of the sewer, whose treacherous collaboration with a hostile foreign force would have seen him banged up in wartime.

And it will be blocked by the Labour Party, former defenders of the working man, erstwhile
Champions of the working class, who now view all Labour supporters who voted for Brexit as thick, racist bigots.

And Brexit will be crippled by the BBC, our licence-funded state broadcaster, which can never quite stop the anti-Brexit sneers from breaking through.
Can you imagine sitting in the canteen at Broadcasting House and revealing that you had voted for Brexit? They would all choke on their avocado focaccia.

And Brexit will be blocked by the great embodiment of British fair play and neutrality - John Bercow, the House of Commons Speaker, who probably has “Bollox to Brexit” tattooed on his flabby little buttocks.

It is a powerful coalition! The full might of the British establishment has joined forces to overthrow the biggest democratic vote in our history. Together, they have strived to stop this country becoming truly independent once more. They have fought with the passion of true, eye-swivelling believers to keep us shackled to Brussels.

And if Theresa May sees her deal voted down on Tuesday - and it looks like she is on course to suffer a defeat of historic proportions - they will take a great leap forward to achieving their goal.
Oh, it will be dressed up and prettified to pretend that democracy still functions in this country. There will be much prattle about “going back to the people” with another referendum. There will be talk about a “delay” in leaving the EU. It will all be meaningless flannel.

The British elite wants to keep us inside the European Union. They are succeeding. Jolly well done, chaps.

Never mind that a British Prime Minister, the coward David Cameron, looked us in the eye and told us our decision in the referendum was final.
Never mind that the overwhelming majority of MP’s in the House of Commons voted to trigger Article 50 and take us out of the EU.
Never mind that at the General Election, both the major political parties stood on manifestos that promised to honour the result of the referendum.
Lies. Lies. Lies.

Parliament is breaking with the people. Brexit is being stopped by the elite.
The masters are taking back control of a people’s rebellion.
But should we all reflect for a moment on the consequences of Parliament’s break with the people?

There is currently no platform for political extremists in this country, not the way that there is in European nations such as Germany, Spain, France and Greece.
Historically, the British have never cared for the looney fringe extremism that has flourished - and frequently ruled - in other European nations.
But I fear the democracy deniers of the British establishment are creating the perfect conditions for the rise of the nutters.

WE DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN THAT KIND OF COUNTRY.

There were ugly scenes outside Westminster this week, Name calling, bullying and aggression. All of us should be striving to see it does not get far worse.
The 17.4 million who voted for Brexit are not - and never have been - the knuckle-dragging morons of myth. Deny Brexit and they will not suddenly become violent thugs. But there are lunatics on the margins of our society who will feel enabled by an arrogant establishment recklessly and openly breaking with the democratic will of the British people.

How can you not fear for our country’s future?

Unquote

Good article. I know Remain supporters will let it go in one ear and out of the other.
But to those of us who believe in democracy in its entirety, Tony Parsons could not have put it any better.


I too fear what may be to come. Democracy is too precious to have it taken away without consequences.

What are your views on this?
Don't take any notice of people who can't make their mind up. Telegraph, Daily Mirror (18 years) now that comic the Sun. Seems he will go anywhere that will have him.
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I’ve just had a thought! When Theresa May loses her deal on Tuesday, why doesn’t she immediately call a General Election for April? Parliament will be dissolved in March, that way no deal Brexit will be inevitable. Not what we wanted but at least Brexit will happen!! And we will take our chances.
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13-01-2019, 04:30 PM
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[QUOTE=itsme;1615085]
Originally Posted by Meg ->
I am not so sure this time, a majority of us voted to get out of the EU and I have heard whisperings out here in shires from the country folk that if our vote is ignored there could be civil disobedience like withholding taxes and community charges.
There is plenty of good old farmyard muck here too that could find its way onto the doorsteps of politicians and even into parliament.[/QUOTE]

Oh, that's a great idea isn't it coming from a so called supervisor.
Our mods post as members unless they are doing their modding job as such meg is as entitled to her opinion as anyone else.
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
I’ve just had a thought! When Theresa May loses her deal on Tuesday, why doesn’t she immediately call a General Election for April?
ans on the same day resign as PM so the Tory Party can make it's mind up on what sort of leader they want.

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
Parliament will be dissolved in March, that way no deal Brexit will be inevitable. Not what we wanted but at least Brexit will happen!! And we will take our chances.
Not necessarily. May could also ask for an extention on the same day as she calls for a GE, which would be granted by the EU.
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13-01-2019, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
I’ve just had a thought! When Theresa May loses her deal on Tuesday, why doesn’t she immediately call a General Election for April? Parliament will be dissolved in March, that way no deal Brexit will be inevitable. Not what we wanted but at least Brexit will happen!! And we will take our chances.
I have a feeling unless they do agree to Mays deal which would cause mayhem IMO we will just slip quietly out of the EU accidentally. I say bring that on we can work with it.
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They wrote a song once , hotel California ... they say it was during the eagles premonition era


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[QUOTE=Julie1962;1615103]
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Our mods post as members unless they are doing their modding job as such meg is as entitled to her opinion as anyone else.

Oh yeh? its like the referee of a Liverpool V Everton match running around with an Everton shirt on.
 
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