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26-01-2019, 07:28 PM
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Re: The little french poison dwarf

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
We have to leave, the Referendum must be respected.

What concerns me is the lack of preparation by our Government.

A No Deal is going to hurt far more than a simple Trade Deal, which we have been offered and have refused.

I cannot understand why we would have done this.
You understand perfectly Swims. The "deal" is a fake deal which doesn't see us Leave the EU at all. You know this.

It's curious to see you seemingly start changing your stance on BrExit.

Leave means Leave. No if's or buts. We can leave with a deal or without one, but the EU is not offering any deal which actually sees us Leave. We therefore regrettably have only one choice, to Leave with No Deal.

This is the doing of the EU. The blame lies at their feet.
They are clearly not the least bit interested in our democracy. They do not want us to Leave. They are DESPERATE for us not to Leave and that's why they continue to bully us about, trying their best to overturn or ignore our democratic decision. That serves to underpin more and more why we were right to vote Leave.

This is not a nice pally golf club. It is an emerging totalitarian police state which sees the UK Exit as a clear and present danger to its cosy dictatorship.

We must Leave. No Deal is the only way it can happen.
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26-01-2019, 07:40 PM
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Re: The little french poison dwarf

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The people as a whole and the country deserve much better than the outcome of a no deal brexit.
Indeed they do, but no other Leave alternative is being offered. The EU are essentially refusing to allow us to Leave except by the very worst option possible. That speaks absolute volumes about who and what the EU dictatorship has become.

There should be absolutely no problem with ANY member state leaving the EU. Leaving is part of the EU Treaty agreements, and yet here we are with the EU bully boys making it as hard as humanly possible for a member state to Leave.

The EU is a total sham. It is a dictatorship parading as some cosy collective touting equality, fraternity, liberty etc. The people of Britain have seen through it. They have seen what the EU has become and where it is heading.

We want no part of it.

We do not want to live in a Federal States Of Europe police state where our basic hard fought rights and freedoms like "Innocent Until Proved Guilty" (Habeus Corpus) are going to be removed and replaced with police state powers of "Guilty Until Proven Innocent" (Corpus Juris).

We don't want our country's affairs being run by megalomaniacs we don't get to elect.

We don't want our country's affairs being held ransom to the votes of 27 other member states who couldn't give a toss about us.

We joined the Common Market back in the 70s for mutual trading benefits.

Since then the Freemasonic and Common Purpose operatives have spent 40 years slowly and silently turning that simple trade agreement into the abolishment of the UK sovereignty and the selling down the river of the country and its people to a foreign power. Those actions are treasonous and those responsible should be brought to justice.

We are now in the awful position of having to start unpicking all that fraudulent agenda. It starts by divorcing ourselves from the EU and then restoring the British Constitution, removing EU operatives from our government and so on.

Much damage has been done and now some hardship is totally unavoidable but that is the fault of the Common Purpose politicians, not the fault of people voting for BrExit.

There will, I am certain, be civil unrest or even war if the powers that be now deny the people this divorce now that they have woken up and seen the spell/illusion shattered.

Understand we want no part of the EU any more. It is over.

We will happily trade with the EU, but that's it.

We will not be ruled by the EU megalomaniacs or its ECJ.
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26-01-2019, 07:44 PM
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Re: The little french poison dwarf

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Facts are facts, however much they do not agree with your view.

Why are Economic Migrants desperate to get here?

We do not deport them, benefits are much easier to get and so is asylum.

We release them on bail if we find them as well.

An illegals paradise.
They can get that in other countries. But you all speak english, and so do the immigrants. English being the only foreign language they speak. French don't like to be spoken to in english, and dutch and german is very hard to learn when you are from an arabic speaking country. Immigrants find it easier to move about in britain and blend in.
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26-01-2019, 08:02 PM
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Re: The little french poison dwarf

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
They can get that in other countries. But you all speak english, and so do the immigrants. English being the only foreign language they speak. French don't like to be spoken to in english, and dutch and german is very hard to learn when you are from an arabic speaking country. Immigrants find it easier to move about in britain and blend in.
Lol, you really are great for comedic value . . . .

Millions of migrants are risking life and limb, both of themselves and their innocent children, to come to the UK and it's because they want to speak English !!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

breathe . . .

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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26-01-2019, 08:03 PM
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Re: The little french poison dwarf

Originally Posted by Realist ->

We want no part of it.

We don't want our country's affairs being run by megalomaniacs we don't get to elect.

We don't want our country's affairs being held ransom to the votes of 27 other member states who couldn't give a toss about us.

We joined the Common Market back in the 70s for mutual trading
If you linger much longer you need to elect new british mep's to sit in the european parliament.

Your parliamentarians then need to form fractions in the europarliament. You need to find the common ground with the other parties in your fraction. Something that is alien to british mp's.
As you can conclude from the above, in the europarliament the votes are not counted by country, but by fraction. In the europarliament there are conservatives, ecologists/green, liberals, socialists. Only in the europarliament you can hear the slogan: conservatives from all countries, unite!
Your statement about 27 countries holding ransom country 28, shows you have little idea how the EU functions. Lacking that knowledge, you still are opposed to the EU. Not the sensible approach of an intelligent man like yourself.
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26-01-2019, 08:25 PM
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Re: The little french poison dwarf

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Your statement about 27 countries holding ransom country 28, shows you have little idea how the EU functions. Lacking that knowledge, you still are opposed to the EU. Not the sensible approach of an intelligent man like yourself.
I disagree. It has been obvious for a long time that the QMV system is utterly ridiculous. It makes an absolute mockery of home affairs and creates what is nothing more than a bidding system.

In short, the UK tables a resolution to achieve some end or action which it needs to occur in the UK. That is put to all the 27 other member states in the QMV system and they all vote. If the UK fails to get a majority of whatever the number is (I forget) then it doesn't get its resolution through.

The problem is that the other 27 member states couldn't give a flying fig what we want and don't care about the resolution we want to put through which is specifically for the benefit of the UK and its people. They have no reason to support the UK resolution at all. They simply couldn't care less.

But they then see that situation as one that can be exploited. They see that the UK needs their votes to get the resolution through and that gives them power. So they come to the UK and say, "Well if you want our vote for resolution X, what will you do for us in return?"

Suddenly what should be a simply case of voting for the affairs of the UK, turns into a bartering system where it is a case of "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours".

It is utterly farcical and outrageous that the needs and aspirations of the UK and its home affairs and economy should be in any shape or form dependent on the agreement of 27 member states who simply don't care. It is outrageous that we find ourselves having to barter with 27 other states in order to get things done in our own country.

We categorically MUST extract ourselves from this farcical BS and take back control of our own affairs.

BrExit is the mechanism by which we can achieve that.
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26-01-2019, 09:01 PM
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Re: The little french poison dwarf

Originally Posted by Realist ->
Lol, you really are great for comedic value . . . .

Millions of migrants are risking life and limb, both of themselves and their innocent children, to come to the UK and it's because they want to speak English !!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

breathe . . .

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You seem to miss the point. Being able to speak english, they can blend in. Dissappear from the radar of the authorities. They can easily make a living, but they need to be able to communicate, and not attract attention by speaking a foreign language. In britain they can, in france etc. that is difficult for them.
They do what you propagate, mislead the british authorities, and do as they like.
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26-01-2019, 09:05 PM
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Re: The little french poison dwarf

Originally Posted by Realist ->
You understand perfectly Swims. The "deal" is a fake deal which doesn't see us Leave the EU at all. You know this.

It's curious to see you seemingly start changing your stance on BrExit.

Leave means Leave. No if's or buts. We can leave with a deal or without one, but the EU is not offering any deal which actually sees us Leave. We therefore regrettably have only one choice, to Leave with No Deal.

This is the doing of the EU. The blame lies at their feet.
They are clearly not the least bit interested in our democracy. They do not want us to Leave. They are DESPERATE for us not to Leave and that's why they continue to bully us about, trying their best to overturn or ignore our democratic decision. That serves to underpin more and more why we were right to vote Leave.

This is not a nice pally golf club. It is an emerging totalitarian police state which sees the UK Exit as a clear and present danger to its cosy dictatorship.

We must Leave. No Deal is the only way it can happen.
Hi

I am not in favour of May's Deal.

I disagree that we have not been offered an alternative.

We have, and we refused it, a simple WTO Free Trade Agreement, as accepted by Japan, South Korea, Canada etc.

No payments, no free movement and no ECJ.

If it is good enough for the rest of the World why did we refuse it?
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26-01-2019, 09:48 PM
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Re: The little french poison dwarf

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

I am not in favour of May's Deal.

I disagree that we have not been offered an alternative.

We have, and we refused it, a simple WTO Free Trade Agreement, as accepted by Japan, South Korea, Canada etc.

No payments, no free movement and no ECJ.

If it is good enough for the rest of the World why did we refuse it?
Wasn't that wto deal excluding northern ireland?
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26-01-2019, 09:51 PM
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Re: The little french poison dwarf

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
I disagree that we have not been offered an alternative.

We have, and we refused it, a simple WTO Free Trade Agreement, as accepted by Japan, South Korea, Canada etc.
I must have missed it.

Can you point to a copy of that EU Deal?

Did parliament vote on it just as they recently voted on "May's" (cough) deal?
 
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